China’s Higher Education tool of Subversion: Confucius Institutes Exposed


Hello and welcome to Declassified, I’m your host, Gina Shakespeare. On this episode, we turn our attention to
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description below. Confucius Institutes are part of
a non-profit public education organization that partners with universities and
schools around the world in a bid to promote Chinese
language and culture. However, the aim of the institutes, which
are a part of China’s Ministry of Education, have been plagued by concerns
including human rights violations, financial incentives, censored content,
espionage, and threats to national security. The Epoch Times sat down
with Göran Lindblad, former vice president of the Parliamentary
Assembly of the Council of Europe and a former Swedish
Parliament member, to talk about some of the controversy
surrounding Confucius Institutes and the strategies the Chinese Communist
Party uses to infiltrate western organizations. Mr. Lindblad is also the former president of the
Platform of European Memory and Conscience, a non-governmental organization
active in research, documentation, education, and raising
awareness about totalitarian regimes. What do you believe is the ideology behind China’s
Confucius Institutes in universities and schools? Most people don’t know that there are
such a thing as Confucius Institutes. Most people don’t know the real ideology
of the Communist regime in China. Today the Communist regime in China has
combined the worst of two ideologies: the total repression of
the communist idea, but they have left
part of Marxism, because China is now not even a market
economy or is not a planned economy, it’s a raw capitalist economy where there are no legislation protecting
the individual or the company, so anything can happen if the Communist
party decides to do this or that way. And this ignorance is dangerous and if we don’t have our universities
being free and open for discussion, we’re in very big trouble for the future. Same thing goes for the
schools, high schools, if you have a Confucius involvement
in high school classes, you’ll indoctrinate the
kids from the very beginning. That was the idea of Hitlerjugend [Hitler
Youth] in Germany during the Nazi time. That was the idea of the Pioneers
in the Soviet Union, and you have similar organisations
that are instead of the Boy Scouts, which promote good ideas. But you have organisations that
promote the state or party ideas. What are Confucius Institutes
and their goals? In the 1930s we had Mussolini setting up Italian
language institutes all over Europe and other parts of the world. The Confucius institutes
are about the same: they are spy centres and
propaganda centres, nothing else. The main purpose is to indoctrinate people and to gather information
for the totalitarian regime. These are the two main goals
that are not outspoken. And with budgets reduced, a lot of universities have
been interested in having Confucius Institutes paying
for the education in Chinese language, Chinese culture and all these things. Same in the 30’s with Mussolini
language institutes. There’s a difference between other
institutes from other countries because they are separate. These Confucius Institutes are
integrated into the universities, so there’s an excellent
opportunity to do infiltration work and also spying at the same time, indoctrinating the students
in the communist thinking, and all the teachers for the Confucius Institutes
are of course controlled from Beijing, and this is bad. I was a student politician in the 60s and we were very keen on
keeping the academic freedom and I think it’s time we restored
the academic freedom. Whether it’s Confucius Institutes
or whatever it is, or even if it’s a big company that’s
sponsoring some kind of research, it is a bit tricky, you have to know who you’re dealing
with and where the money comes from. For example, if the cigarette maker Philip
Morris is sponsoring research on tobacco, I wouldn’t trust that research
and the same thing here. You have infiltration and research on what’s
going on here and there in China and if you have people coming from the
regime, you shouldn’t trust them. What’s the difference between
Confucius institutes and the language institutions of
countries like France and Germany? The Goethe Institute and all the other
institutes-they are independent. They are not located inside the university. The idea of the Confucius Institute
is to infiltrate inside and be part of a faculty in an
established university and that makes them
more dangerous, because then they are a
danger for the academic freedom. The other institutes, they
are located separately. There’s no problem if you have an
organisation and you know it’s foreign, and it promotes its country,
that’s normal. You have democracies doing that,
you have dictatorships doing that. I mean you have the Azerbaijan
society in London. It promotes Aliyev and
Azerbaijan’s regime, no problem with that, because you
know who you’re dealing with. Problem is if you’re in a university and
you don’t know really who’s behind, that’s dangerous. Why do you think pro-communist organisations
like Confucius Institutes have been able to so easily enter the western
education system? It’s only because you have a
lot of people who don’t know. There is very little knowledge about the communist
atrocities committed in Europe, about the communist atrocities
committed in Asia, especially if we go 20 to
30 years back. There’s very little knowledge
among the general population. Education in schools in most
of Western Europe, as well as in the United States, is not covering the totalitarian
past in a good way. In many of the schools, they don’t even
reach past the Second World War. But when it comes to how they operate, there are more similarities
than differences. If they’re Nazi, if they’re
communist, if they’re Islamist or whatever
‘ism’ they are, they use the same terror, the kind
of jails, torture, rape, whatnot. What is your understanding of the relationship
between the Chinese Communist Party and the CI’s? Well the relationship is that they’re totally
controlled by the party – the CCP [Chinese Communist Party]
controls the Confucius institutes. Their leadership is a vice premier
or a big important minister and member of the leadership
of the Communist party. So of course it’s all controlled
by the communist… there is nothing in a totalitarian
regime done in the country or outside the country that is not
controlled by the totalitarian regime. And in the case of China, it’s
the CCP –the Communist Party. What is the situation like in China in terms
of education and teaching independent thinking? Well I mean the local situation
in China is not good. China needs to do a lot when it
comes to educating children, when it comes to better university
education for the broader population. They are not investing in that because it’s not of interest for the
Communist Party to do that. The Communist Party has
one main interest stay in power, keep the privileges for those who
are more equal than others, like George Orwell wrote
in Animal Farm: Some are more equal than others. This goes for all totalitarian regimes, especially communist regimes where
people are supposed to be equal. A lot of the leftist sentiment in
Europe are still thinking that the communist idea by Marx was
good but it went wrong. I’m absolutely convinced that
the idea is wrong because already in Marx’s writings, there’s written about using terror
to keep the dictatorship in place and this is exactly what they’re doing. So they’re not interested
in educating children unless they believe that that
education will serve their purposes. And of course the people are
demanding more and more as they get more wealth from the raw
capitalist economy that they have and this means that they need to give in
for some of the pressure from the people. There are more protests in China than
most people believe. They’re ongoing all the time about
little things and big things. And that scares the hell out
of the communist party, if you excuse my wording. Of course because they don’t like
people thinking for themselves and they’re afraid of any opposition, especially if the opposition comes public. On the surface, Confucius Institutes seem
benign. What are your concerns about their influence? They try to gather influence
over the curriculum. They try to influence the students, teachers and they try to gather information. They wanted to establish themselves in the Royal Institute of Technology
in Stockholm some years back. Move from the university when
there was a conflict there, when I was in parliament asking why we were housing a communist organisation
in the Stockholm University. They wanted to move to the
Institute of Technology which would have been a disaster because that’s where a lot of the research
about the Swedish Air Force is done and Swedish air defense. Everything is very secret at
the Institute of Technology. They have some open institutions also, but they have a special institution for
aerodynamics which are totally military. So I wouldn’t like to have a
foreign power involved in there. They’re trying to do that all the time. Some universities now have realised the real
methods and the real wishes of the Confucius institutes so, and that’s good. They are not going to be in the
Stockholm University anymore, already they terminated all the cooperation, which was about time, a few years too late but still, they had been there 10 years, but that was on the faculty
of language so they couldn’t do much harm there, but the harm they did
was of course influence. Not much to spy on there where you have a lot of professors
looking into old Latin or old Greek texts. Why does China spend so much money promoting
its own education system overseas? Well of course they want to
influence the foreigners. The very idea and it is in writing
also in Communist Party documents if you go and do some research. It’s not easy in an ongoing system, but you can see it in a past system. We have the example in East Germany the Communist part of Germany
that was controlled by the Soviet Union after the second World
War up until the Berlin Wall fell, where the Stasi [the secret police] did a lot of job
in order to influence foreign nations. For example, it was just
revealed in the archives now that Swedish…hundreds, 600-700 Swedish teachers [German teachers] were invited in for free, paid for by the Communist
regime to take classes and get indoctrinated
in Eastern Germany. That explains a lot what I and people of my generation
experienced in high school, why the teachers were so
communist-leaning in ideas. That was probably done
by the Soviet Union, it was done by other communist
countries including China, And it’s worth tons of money for
a totalitarian regime in order to have people
getting good experience. Oh we learned Chinese for free, we got some cultural exchange, they paid my trip to Beijing. All these are valuable propaganda gains
that the regime will have. Even good democracies have
exchange like that. United States is having exchange
in a good way but they promote free
thinking in their programs. When it comes to the Communist
and other totalitarian regimes they try to create Homo Sovieticus
or Homo Communicus in order to make people
think or stop thinking and just accept what the
party says is right or wrong. So it’s worth all the money and more, most likely for them, and the universities are
stupid accepting it. What’s the idea behind the
brand name Confucius Institute? Well it’s a paradox because, of course, because the communists
hate the ideas of Confucius and they have been stating
for decades that that’s totally irrelevant and
wrong and whatnot, but they use Confucius for
propaganda purposes because they want a brand name. I mean, we live in a modern world, a globalised world where a brand name
states if an organisation is good or bad. There was one professor in
one article I read who said you shouldn’t think
you can go out and market China with having a Mao Zedong Institute, that would not be very good
for communist China, so they use Confucius
and it’s only a ploy. What would you say to universities who continue
their Confucius Institute contracts? I would ask them if they want to keep their
academic freedom or not? Are they for or against academic freedom? If they’re for that’s not an option, if they’re against well fine then they can be part of the Chinese
communist government. What research do they have? Is it something worth stealing? Then they can send it on an
email to China directly, instead of having the trouble of having a
Confucius Institute steal it bit by bit. If they have nothing worth stealing
then it’s only the propaganda, which is bad enough. Do you think some of the reactions against
Confucius Institutes are over reactions? No, I don’t think so. If you open your eyes, it’s not an overreaction it’s an under reaction all the time, not seeing the real danger behind. If people are so naive so they don’t understand
who they’re dealing with, it’s a problem, if they don’t see that this
is dangerous. If you bother to ask the teachers some
political questions about China, it would be obvious for anyone that these people are paid for
and controlled by the CCP, it would take 5 minutes to find out if you just took the time doing that. What do you think the agenda is
behind the Confucius Institute? Well it depends, they are
recruiting of course, some of them are only teachers but some of them also
belong to the security services and they are good at recruiting spies. If you infiltrate an organization
good enough, it’s dangerous for the whole organization, the thinking changes or if the university are doing
technical research or things like that that can be useful, they will do spying for that, industrial espionage, it can be done
at the university if not military, some universities do
military research. Today a lot of the industrial
espionage is as important. So it depends who befriends whom because you do cultivate people, the clever intelligence operator
will work exactly that way. I don’t think they isolate
themselves socially, I think they go to parties, networking here and there, that’s in the playbook. The Chinese Communist Party are not interested
in in their students being educated here or in the States or elsewhere
to be too much influenced, so they realize what’s going
on in China. Some of them do but
they are too afraid because of family reasons
and other reasons too to become active opposition but some of them do and some of them defect
and stay actually. They’re trying to control them as well. Some are recruited, some are recruited for money, honey traps are used everywhere
by secret service agencies. Some of the Confucius Institutes’ hiring practices
have proven to be discriminatory. What are your thoughts on that? You cannot have contracts prohibiting people
from belonging to certain organizations. If you have your employer says that you
may not belong to Falun Gong. That’s illegal. That’s totally illegal in
most Western countries, absolutely in the States and Canada definitely in most European countries. That kind of provision cannot be done and it should and can be
prosecuted immediately. Any prosecutor could do it, I’m surprised
it’s not being tried. Göran Lindblad is the President of the Platform
of European Memory and Conscience. The platform is a non-governmental organization
active in research, documentation, education, and raising awareness
about totalitarian regimes. Mr Lindblad is also a former
Swedish Parliament member and former chairman of the Parliamentary
Assembly of the Council of Europe.

62 thoughts on “China’s Higher Education tool of Subversion: Confucius Institutes Exposed

  • Chris Chappel is getting envious! Haha 😛 My girlfriend worked for Confucius.. and her president of the Institute in Romania, was abusing her power ALL the time, especially taking all her frustration out on my girlfriend.. I wanted to report her to a Chinese official, but my girlfriend was extremely afraid and I decided not to report her president. Such bad people some of these Chinese!

  • Hello Gina 😍!! China is the problem We the people are awake and are watching love seeing true news Thank you so much . Love you Gina and your news network everyday I see you I learn more everyday. Gina keep up the good work every time I see your beautiful face my day is a lot better thank you

  • What a nice video!!
    This dude gives me hope that we can save the ligth of freedom here in the EU.
    Thanks for this, really.
    Maybe we wont have a Red or islamic thought police yet.

    Btw, the origin of the comunism's symbol, do you know where it comes from?
    Real interesting, deep stuff!!

  • Found you guys through China Uncensored and now have watched all your videos. Keep pumping out the great content please!

  • I think China sure has an agenda of sorts . always good info on this channel thanks. Gina is educating us well. ( and you sure have some great comments Gina) cheers NZ

  • Now im kinda curious about it 🤔 ive been a fan on China Unsensored for a long time.
    And i wonder how the ccp brain wash foreign coutries

  • There's no such thing as a free lunch, especially coming from the Chinese communist party. The Confucius Institutes indeed has nothing relating to the doctrine of Confucius. It’s completely a propaganda and even secret agent of the CCP.

  • I PREFER TO LEARN THE LANGUAGE THAT GINA SPEAKS THAN UGLY SOUNDED CHINESE & CONFUCIUS CRABS !!!

  • Does anyone think that the Latin American immigration crisis “caravan” has anything to do with China’s Hundred Year-Marathon? (American subversion) I hypothesized they are at least related loosely. I think they want Trump out office really bad!
    If you are in the United States 🇺🇸 the political climate Has become Ideologically polarized..

  • Modern communism has changed and become very sophisticated!
    Communist states used to all follow Marxist ideologies for financial planning, the CCP uses state owned enterprises hand and hand with capitalist ideologies….their having their cake and eating it too!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • With 1.4 billion people…. they look at the U S as their test ground…. much like we use individual state… county… city…. they view in time they will control the world with the NWO…. that past presidents sold us out to…. thank GOD for DJT…. we still have a chance to stop their EVIL plan of world domination…. peace…. everything hidden will be revealed….. Q+

  • Interesting information, I always suspected it, but hearing it broken down this way makes it sink in. Thanks again Gina.

  • No wonder people like socialism systems all by having a bad teacher and some of then teach today in universities and colleges all over the west..

  • Great video .. Thanks for putting out the effort to raise our level of awareness concerning how this aspect of the CCP's efforts at becoming the preeminent totalitarian government of the 21st Century is being soft-pedaled as "enlightenment" and "education".

    It's time to reread Orwell's great works: "1984" and "Animal Farm" ..

    "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" ..

    .. so said the pig who secretly wished to walk on two legs.

  • Why would I give an academic from the third world credit?
    A nation that has volunteered for third world status I might add.

    Swedes have no credibility.

  • You all do such a great job here. Ever been asked to be Potus' press secretary? I think you all could lay out enough detail to wake up the even the fakestream media Whitehouse minions of the apocalypse.

  • I just notice I didn't get notification of your video eventhough I clicked the bell. I don't know why. I check again on my youtube notificatioin list but there is none. strange

  • What is Behind Confucius Institute or Classrooms?
    the Chinese communist government agency hides behind Confucius Institute or Classrooms which is like Trojan!

  • https://youtu.be/rjM2TOplSco Declassified, watch from 9:09 till 10:30. Look at his reaction/body language when he mentions china and students from china. Epic. 😀

  • World War-China.
    Reeducation Camps, Human Organ Harvesting should be enough to cut all trade from all the Western Countries.
    Tibet, Tiananmen Square Massacre, Falun Gong Killing and their Organ Harvesting and like in this well done Video Theft of IP.
    In the last 300 Years what has China invented?
    Your Apple Iphone has paid to build Chinese Nukes, the building of Military bases in the South China Sea.
    But the real crime is the Human Organ Harvesting.
    Suicide Nets so the people making your Iphones could not jump to their deaths..Suicide nets, like really and you keep buying Apple stock, well your all guilty.
    Buy anything BUT made in China.
    Whoever is left alive after World War-China; I'm sure they will put some people up against the Wall.

  • The confucious institute is very much alive and well at the University of Queensland.  How the hell can this happen? Government funding needs to be pulled and some mass sackings until they can prove they've cleaned up their act.

  • I dont care if Confucius institute is a communist propaganda machine or not. That's not the real issue here. The real issue and the ACTUAL reason our schools are closing ties to the Confucius institutes is because of the direct ties of the Confucius Institute and the persecution murders of over 5 thousand Falun Gong people for state-run organ harvesting…

    That's right, Confucius Institute is a program from the chinese government devision responsable for genocide. Not only does the institution have connections to the crimes but they actively discriminate in their academic agenda against Falun Gong teachers and students!!!!

    Dont believe me? Look it up. The genocide is largely kept secret by the Confucius institute and chinese government and is still happening today.

  • Liberals are working against Amercia to DESTROY the US from within and are working with China. The Zionist have been working with China to Destroy Amercia and Europe too. Sad times we live in.

  • Let's ban all the Confucian Institutes in the west universities. Who needs the Red Chinese Commie money that pollute and corrupt our western
    young minds. Of course the Chinese will close all the western universities that opened campuses in China since the 90s, and they have been charging the Chinese up to $80K for tuitions!

  • The institute wants to brainwash the world through soft power so that when the young generation who had been brainwashed become the leaders in future, China can get the benefits. They must be destroyed before it's too late

  • Typical Western hypocrisy propaganda. You hear Westerners shouting "Free Tibet", but none of them think to look closer to home, and shout "Free Wales", "Free Cornwall", or "Free Americas" for that matter. The Confucius Institute is there to promote the Chinese language, create a positive image of China and foster good relations with other countries. The whole purpose of this despicable slander campaign against it, in which you are unwittingly or knowingly participating, is to isolate China, in the same way that America is trying to isolate Russia. Because, God forbid if America's little European satellites were to have a relationship with anyone but America. If you were not so bling and hypocritical, you'd offer the some criticism of the British Council, Radio Free Europe and other such institutions. But that's not what you're here for, is it?

  • Mayor Brad West of Port Coquitlam has what it takes to stand up against the long arm of the Chinese “Soft Propaganda” machine which paints the picture that China is the most incredible nation on earth despite 1-2 million Uyghur are in “re-education” camps…their children taken away and sent to special brainwashing schools where they will have their cultural identity permanently erased. Then there is the unwarranted detention of 2 Canadians plus their apparent lack of acceptance of a world court denying them rights to the entire South (China) Sea. Then there is the forced organ harvesting program they operate. CHINESE DO NOT GIVE UP THEIR ORGANS FOR ORGAN TRANSPLANT. It’s part of their culture to be buried “Whole”, yet thousands of transplants are carried out every year! How can this be? Falun Gong, dissidents, and Uyghur are their sources. The Confucius Institute is part of this elaborate “soft propaganda”! It’s promising to see Colleges and Universities all over the world finally come to their senses and see that the “content” of CI teaching is to soft sell the communist ideals. How can we accept a donation of $6000 for a wine and dine party from such a tyrannical government. Would you accept the offer from Fentanyl pushers? They get their product from China!

  • Too bad the CCP uses the teachings of a great man (Confucius) to sell its lies overseas and spends so much of the Chinese taxpayers money trying to buy favours in foreign countries using this ploy! The WORLD has seen what the CONFUCIUS INSTITUTE is and it needs to be eradicated from the world!

  • Too bad the CCP uses the teachings of a great man (Confucius) to sell its lies overseas and spends so much of the Chinese taxpayers money trying to buy favours in foreign countries using this ploy! The WORLD has seen what the CONFUCIUS INSTITUTE is and it needs to be eradicated from the world!

  • I can see peoples fear. My question is ….how bad an idea is it to learn and share? Is it dangerous to one ideology for another to be known? Why should the world only speak and know English and English ideology. Aren't all men on a quest for truth and knowledge from the day they are born? Don't all countries spy on each other? Don't you look at other people in public? Look for body language, try to determine the person, to figure them out? Are you curious about anything? Why is it any government responsibility to teach? Shouldn't you learn from God? Your mother and father, your family and friends? I am really confused how the world ended up in this situation. Nobody likes opposition , nobody wants opposition to them to be public. I wonder exactly what would happen if people did take an interest in China and it's people rather than just vilifying them at every turn. We are happy to buy their products that make life more convenient. We rarely ever stop to consider that a Chinese child had his hands all over the products in your pocket as he built it for you. China is an emerging nation. When you feel you have been treated unfairly don't you want to do everything in your power to make things right? make things level? maybe even stacked in your favor? Hate the game don't hate the player. You can't win over someones heart if you don't know how they think or even how they communicate. Maybe your being brainwashed into thinking they are evil bad terrible heathens. Is that based on experience or by remote thinking? Yes they are different than you and you are different to them. So many other people are different to you and Chinese as well. I get both sides but this is a government fight. They fight to control us as citizens. Maybe we just stand aside and let the governments embarrass themselves and we reach out to share the love and get to know our brothers. I wonder how that would all turn out if we got along and let the elite fight it out. Yes there will likely be casualties on both sides. Sad fact of the game. Mental health is affected by isolation. Take away the isolation and maybe mental health improves. ON BOTH SIDES. Why do we always have to have a boogy man? Why not always have a Holy spirit ? Look here and listen closely. If I were in China and I wanted to feed my children I would do anything I thought would help me to provide and maybe just maybe they are tired of working as slaves for the rest of the world and want to turn the tables so we can all see how it feels. Why should precious Jr get the latest and greatest video game and an ice cream then be handed a trophy just to make him feel better but other peoples children don't matter as long as Jr. is happy and not throwing a temper tantrum. I hear Americans every day say "if ya wanna come here and live here learn how to talk American" so many Americans don't even speak English. For the most part I see most immigrants have. made an effort. So many Americans want involvement from China as long as it means doing our labor and building the things that make our lives easier. How about we have a little respect and reciprocate , maybe we learn a little about them and offer our assistance in making their live a little better. If you want to attract a mate don't you examine the other person and try to learn something about them? Don't you make an effort to show you are interested in their happiness? Don't you share a little about yourself and what you think? Why not take a minute to recognize them as people like you and I , who want a fast car a chance to sit and play a game a chance to see their kids grow and prosper, to have a home, clothes on their back , food to eat and freedom to do as they please. There are billions of them. Their society works for them and if it did not they could revolt as they stated in this video they actually do. I am not saying open up the books and let them in on every little secret, I am just saying their are 2 sides to every coin. 2 sides to every story. God gave you free will to decide. Do you always need a government to tell you who to like? Are you so shallow that you look to the popular kid to tell you how to act and behave? You can't figure it out on your own? Look at it this way, the same people crying about China winning are the same players who set the rules. They packed up their companies and ran to China looking for cheap labor to exploit. They did not care about your jobs the day they left. They cared about getting more money than they needed to use to push you around and tell you have to think and live. They were quick to sell you and I out for the "Almighty Dollar" and it bit them in the butt. Did you care that a Chinese family may have had to send their kid to a factory to make your cell phone instead of going to school? Did it matter to you then? I for one will walk a thin line and try to stay on the edge of the coin so I can look down the face of both side and see what is going on. Now that China is kicking them in the butt and making a bit of money off them it is all of a sudden a problem? They were communist when we walked through the door looking for something to take and they are going to likely be communist when we get our butts tossed out the door for being pricks. The people closest to me know me, I will stand behind you in a fight when you are right but if you go off looking for trouble and your wrong you are on your own. I might break up the fight, but only after you have taken your lumps and learned something from it. The same goes for Mexico and South America…they want to come here to work and make a better life for themselves and I for one am glad to see them coming (as long as they knock and use the front door) because the people that come are generally motivated to make something for themselves and the typical American kid these days can't even put the right stuff in the bag at a drive through restaurant They don't want to be at work and they don't care as long as they get a paycheck and they complain that it is not enough.They are never thankful for what they do have. I know because I was the same way a lot of the time. Our society as a whole is spoiled rotten and needs a spanking to set us straight. What would it hurt for you to make and attempt to learn Mandarin and some of the Chinese culture. What would it matter if they know some of our secrets. It shows they are motivated, if you want your secrets kept get motivated enough to protect them better. Yep, you are outnumbered so you are going to have to work harder if ideals mean that much to you. Better wake up and smell the coffee because it might just be your kids going to work in a factory soon instead of playing Grand theft Auto, and having temper tantrums. I cuss the Chinese all the time not because they are winning , but because I am a sore loser. I only got trophies when I won.

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