Michigan State Board of Education Meeting for May 10, 2011 – Session Part 1


>>GOOD MORNING.>>GOOD MORNING.>>GOOD MORNING!>>GOOD MORNING!>>WE HAVE SOME STUDENTS, I HEARD, TODAY TOO? WHERE ARE YOU ALL FROM? OR MAYBE WE DON’T. [ LAUGHTER ]>>GRAND VALLEY STUDENTS.>>MORNING.>>MUSKEGON.>>MUSKEGON.>>MUSKEGON?>>MUSKEGON.>>WOW, THEY WERE UP EARLY.>>THE TIME IS NOW 9:43 AND A QUORUM OF THE BOARD IS PRESENT. THE STATE BOARD OF ED MEETING OF MAY 10, 2011 IS HEREBY CALLED TO ORDER. THE FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF AGENDA IN ORDER OF PRIORITY. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO ADD TO THE AGENDA?>>YEAH. MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE THE AGENDA WITH THE ADDITION OF AN ITEM POSED STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION FORUMS FOR DISCUSSION THIS MORNING AFTER ITEM B AND INTO ACTION LATER UNDER OUR MEETING.>>SUPPORT.>>JOHN AUSTIN HAS ASKED– WE NEED ACTUALLY–>>OH, YEAH, TO VOTE ON THE–>>YEAH, TO VOTE ON THE WHOLE AGENDA.>>MMM-HMM.>>SO THE VOTE WILL BE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA WITH AN ADDITION OF IN BETWEEN B AND C FOR DISCUSSION ON FORUMS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, OR ADDITIONS, OR DELETIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, AYE?>>AYE.>>OPPOSED, SAME? GREAT, THANK YOU. MERTZ, PLEASE?>>GOOD MORNING. WELCOME TO THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION MEETING OF MAY 10, 2011. WELCOME STAFF AND GUESTS WHO ARE HERE AND I’D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU THE MEMBERS OF THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION AND PEOPLE SEATED AROUND THE TABLE. TO MY IMMEDIATE LEFT IS MICHAEL P. FLANAGAN. HE’S THE SUPERINTENDENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION. HE’S CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. TO HIS LEFT, AS WE GO AROUND THE TABLE, IS JOHN AUSTIN. JOHN IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD AND HE RESIDES IN ANN ARBOR. CASANDRA ULBRICH, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD WHO RESIDES IN ROCHESTER HILLS. NANCY DANHOF, SECRETARY OF THE BOARD, RESIDES IN EAST LANSING. KATHLEEN STRAUS RESIDES IN DETROIT. MATINGA RAGATZ, WHO LIVES IN DeWITT, BUT TEACHES WORLD STUDIES IN GRAND LEDGE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. SHE IS THE TEACHER OF THE YEAR THIS YEAR. SHE HAS A SEAT AT THE BOARD TABLE. AS WE GO ACROSS THE TABLE WE HAVE EILEEN WEISER, WHO IS FROM ANN ARBOR. AND NEXT TO EILEEN IS DAN VARNER FROM DETROIT. AND THEN WE HAVE RICHARD ZEILE, WHO IS THE BOARD’S NASBE DELEGATE, WHO IS ALSO FROM DETROIT. AND THEN NEXT TO ME, TO MY RIGHT, IS MARIANNE McGUIRE FROM DETROIT. SHE IS THE TREASURER OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU, MERTZ. WELCOME, EVERYONE. AND THE FIRST ITEM TODAY IS– IT’S A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AGENDA ITEM THAT’S A PRESENTATION ON THE EDUCATION DASHBOARD. THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD SAY THAT– NOT TO PREEMPT THE GOVERNOR, BUT OUR STAFF WAS KIND OF AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON THIS IN TERMS OF METRICS AND THEN TO HAVE A NEW GOVERNOR THAT SAW THE VALUE IN THAT, I THINK IT WAS A REALLY PERFECT ALIGNMENT. AND IN HIS EDUCATION MESSAGE ON APRIL 27th, THE GOVERNOR INCLUDED AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF A STATEWIDE EDUCATION DASHBOARD. AND THE DASHBOARD ILLUSTRATES HOW OUR STATE’S PERFORMING IN AREAS OF STUDENT OUTCOME, STUDENT ACCOUNTABILITY, CULTURE OF LEARNING, VALUE OF MONEY AND POST SECONDARY EDUCATION. WE’RE PLEASED TO DEMONSTRATE THIS ONLINE INSTRUMENT. IT’S GOING TO REALLY– I THINK IT’S GOING TO BE A GREAT THING FOR DEMOCRACY, FRANKLY. IT’S GOING TO BE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE ALL SHARE, STARTING WITH US IN LANSING. AND SO WITH US IS CAROL WOLENBERG. CAROL EASLICK REALLY WAS THE LEAD IN MANY RESPECTS ON THIS– SALLY VAUGHN AND JOSEPH MARTINEAU. AND THEY’RE GOING TO WALK US THROUGH THIS AND GIVE US KIND OF A LIVE ONLINE PRESENTATION OF WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE AND GIVE US SOME TIMELINES, I THINK TOO, ON WHEN THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND THE REST. CAROL?>>GOOD MORNING. IT’S REALLY A PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS MORNING. AND CAROL EASLICK IS THE LEAD FOR US ON THIS. IT’S JUST BEEN AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE, I THINK, FOR HER AND JOSEPH. WITH HIS STAFF AND THE EXPERTISE THAT THEY BRING, IT’S BEEN FASCINATING TO WATCH THE BUILD OUT OF THE DASHBOARD. SO SALLY AND I ARE HERE TO SHOW THAT THIS IS A CROSS AGENCY EFFORT. WE’VE HAD TEAMS FROM BOTH SIDES, AS WE SAY, OF THE ORGANIZATION. AND I THINK WE’LL JUST TURN IT OVER TO CAROL, BECAUSE THE PURPOSE TODAY IS TO GIVE YOU A DEMONSTRATION OF WHAT’S BEHIND THE EDUCATION DASHBOARD, WHICH IS FOR THE WHOLE STATE. CAROL?>>WELL, AS YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR ANNOUNCED HIS MICHIGAN DASHBOARD WHEN HE DID THE STATE OF THE STATE IN JANUARY. AND AS AN EXPANSION OF THAT MICHIGAN DASHBOARD HE REACHED OUT TO THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE HE WAS LOOKING FOR A STATE OF EDUCATION DASHBOARD THAT HE COULD HAVE PROVIDE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY FOR SCHOOL DISTRICTS. SO AS A STAFF, WE WORKED REAL CLOSELY WITH THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE, WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, AND THE CENTER OF EDUCATIONAL PREPARATION INFORMATION. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT?>>UH-UH– CLOSE.>>CEPI– AND WORKED FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AND HAD NUMEROUS METRICS THAT WE WOULD THROW ON THE TABLE. JOSEPH’S OFFICE WAS PHENOMENAL IN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THAT. BUT WHEN WE– WHEN THEY FIRST POSTED THE EDUCATION DASHBOARD– YOU CAN GET TO IT RIGHT FROM THE MICHIGAN DASHBOARD. THERE’S A BUTTON RIGHT HERE THAT SAYS EDUCATION. THAT TAKES YOU RIGHT TO WHAT THEY REFER TO AS THE “AT-A-GLANCE” DOCUMENT. THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE AND THE GOVERNOR MADE THE FINAL DECISIONS ON WHAT ULTIMATELY ENDED UP AS THE METRICS ON THE DASHBOARD. EACH ONE OF THE LINKS TAKE YOU TO MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION. AND I’M GOING TO HAVE JOSEPH KIND OF WALK THROUGH WHAT EACH ONE OF THESE LINKS ARE AND ANY EXPLANATIONS THAT HE THINKS ARE RELEVANT.>>OKAY, SO WE CAN LOOK AT THIS AND SEE THAT WE HAVE STUDENT OUTCOMES– KIND OF BROKEN DOWN INTO FIVE CATEGORIES: STUDENT OUTCOMES, SCHOOL ACCOUNTABILITY, CULTURE OF LEARNING, VALUE FOR MONEY, AND POST SECONDARY EDUCATION OR HIGHER EDUCATION. WE CAN SEE THAT ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE WE HAVE THE PRIOR YEAR DATA, THE CURRENT YEAR DATA, AND WHETHER IT’S GOING UP GETTING BETTER, GOING DOWN GETTING WORSE, OR STAYING ABOUT THE SAME. SO I’M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLICK ON 3rd GRADE READING PROFICIENCY. AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE– THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE OF 3rd GRADERS WHO ARE PROFICIENT IN READING, BASED ON OUR CURRENT CUT SCORES. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THIS WAS INCLUDED IS THAT 3rd GRADE READING PROFICIENCY, AS WE KNOW, IS A GATEWAY– A GATEWAY SKILL TO BEING ABLE TO HAVE SUCCESS IN ALL LATER EDUCATION. THIS WILL BE UPDATED WHEN WE HAVE NEW CUT SCORES. SO THESE WILL BE LOWER BASED ON THE NEW CUT SCORES THAT WE DO COME BACK TO PRESENT IT IN THE FALL. WE DO HAVE TWO SETS OF DATA HERE. WE HAVE LONGITUDINAL DATA ALL THE WAY BACK FROM 2005-2006. AND THE TWO SETS OF DATA THAT WE HAVE ARE THOSE FOR MICHIGAN AND THOSE FOR MICHIGAN STUDENTS WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED. TO JUST REMEMBER THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE’RE TAKING CARE OF ALL STUDENTS. THIS IS NOT ALL SUBGROUPS. WE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FEEL LIKE WE’RE DOING TREMENDOUSLY WELL IF WE’VE LEFT ONE OF THOSE GROUPS BEHIND. SO WE DO PRESENT ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED WHERE POSSIBLE FOR ALL OF THESE METRICS.>>JOSEPH, I KNOW THE BOARD HEARD THIS CONCEPTUALLY ONCE BEFORE, BUT EVEN AFTER THE CUT SCORES NEXT YEAR, YOU’D BE ABLE TO SHOW A DOTTED LINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK TO– WELL, IT WILL BE 2006-2007 PROBABLY AT THAT POINT–>>RIGHT.>>–SHOWING WHAT THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN HAD THE CUT SCORES BEEN IN PLACE?>>YES, WE ARE GOING TO DO AT LEAST THREE YEARS BACK FROM THE CURRENT. SO WE’LL HAVE FOUR YEARS OF DATA BY THE TIME THE NEXT ROLLOUT OF THESE DATAS IS PROVIDED.>>I THINK ON THAT SITE, SINCE THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO HAVE ACCESS, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU’D STILL HAVE PROBABLY THE SOLID LINE TO SHOW THE DROP. BUT THE DOTTED LINE WOULD SHOW WHAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH THE NEW CUT SCORES AND THAT WOULD HELP MITIGATE THE FEELING THAT THERE ISN’T IMPROVEMENT. THERE’S IMPROVEMENT, IT’S JUST THAT WE’RE GETTING REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT THIS NEW– THIS NEW AGE CALLS FOR FOR PROFICIENCY.>>EXACTLY. WE ALSO HAVE STUDENT ACADEMIC GROWTH. AND THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, WE ARE PRESENTING THE PERCENTAGE OF STUDENTS WHO ARE PROGRESSING TOWARD OR BEYOND PROFICIENCY IN BOTH READING AND MATH. ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR SELECTION OF A METRIC IS THAT ON A DASHBOARD, YOU DON’T WANT TO HAVE SO MANY METRICS THAT PEOPLE DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT’S THERE. WHEN WE DO– SO I CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE’RE DOING FOR LOCAL DISTRICTS. THIS RIGHT HERE IS STATEWIDE DATA. THE GOVERNOR ALSO INDICATED THAT HE WANTED TO HAVE LOCAL DASHBOARDS FOR LOCAL DISTRICTS AND LOCAL SCHOOLS. WE ARE DEVELOPING THOSE RIGHT NOW WITH CEPI. THOSE WILL BE ROLLED OUT SOMETIME IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, DEPENDING ON WHEN WE’RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY FINALIZE THE DATA AND FINALIZE THE SITE. ON THAT SITE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE READING AND MATH SPLIT OUT, SO THAT IT WOULDN’T BE READING AT– GROWTH IN BOTH READING IN MATH, YOU’D BE ABLE TO SEE GROWTH IN READING AND GROWTH IN MATHEMATICS SPLIT OUT. WE HAVE ACT COLLEGE READINESS. SO WE HAVE THE SAME KIND OF THING HAPPENING HERE. THERE’S THE ACT COLLEGE READINESS FOR ALL STUDENTS IN MICHIGAN AND ACT COLLEGE READINESS FOR STUDENTS WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED. AND THIS IS THE PERCENT OF STUDENTS MEETING ALL ACT COLLEGE READY BENCHMARKS. SO READING, ENGLISH, MATH AND SCIENCE. AND I DO WANT TO GO BACK TO STUDENT ACADEMIC GROWTH AND POINT OUT ONE THING HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO SEE WITH STUDENT ACADEMIC GROWTH IS WE SEE VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STUDENTS WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED AND STUDENTS WHO ARE NOT ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED. THIS IS GOOD NEWS. IT MEANS THAT STUDENTS WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED DO TEND TO GROW AT ABOUT THE SAME RATE AND THEY CAN GROW AT ABOUT THE SAME RATE AS STUDENTS WHO ARE NOT ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED. MEANING THAT IF WE CAN GET SLIGHTLY MORE OUT OF STUDENTS WHO ARE ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED, THEN WE CAN HAVE THEM CATCHING UP OVER TIME. IT’S A GOOD NEWS KIND OF STORY THERE. WE DO HAVE– YES?>>I WASN’T QUITE– I SEE THAT’S IN PERCENTAGE, BUT PERCENTAGE OF WHAT?>>SO GOING BACK TO STUDENT OUTCOMES, I’M ASSUMING YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT STUDENT ACADEMIC GROWTH THAT YOU WANTED?>>YES, YES.>>YES, THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE OF STUDENTS WHO ARE MAKING GROWTH TOWARD OR BEYOND PROFICIENCY IN GRADES THREE THROUGH EIGHT, MATH AND READING. SO THIS IS KIND OF, “ARE YOU “MOVING TOWARD PROFICIENCY “IF YOU’RE NOT THERE? “OR ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND “PROFICIENCY IF YOU’VE ALREADY “ACHIEVED THAT?” SO IT’S ESSENTIALLY, “ARE YOU “MAKING MORE PROGRESS THAN WOULD “NECESSARILY BE EXPECTED “IN ONE YEAR?” THIS IS KIND OF THE GOOD NEWS. WE’RE MAKING MORE PROGRESS THAN WOULD BE EXPECTED IN ONE YEAR– MORE THAN ONE YEAR OF GROWTH FOR ONE YEAR OF INSTRUCTION.>>SO THIS IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS?>>YES, NUMBER OF STUDENTS.>>OKAY, THANK YOU.>>SO THEN THE CONVERSE WOULD BE THAT THE REMAINING PERCENTAGE IS NOT MAKING GROWTH?>>NOT MAKING MORE THAN ONE YEAR OF GROWTH.>>OKAY, SO THIS IS MAKING MORE THAN ONE YEAR OF GROWTH?>>RIGHT.>>OKAY.>>IT DECLINED.>>SO, YEAH, I’M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE HEADING THEN. BECAUSE IT ALMOST SEEMS TO INSINUATE THAT WE ONLY HAVE 25% OF STUDENTS WHO ARE ACTUALLY GROWING AT ALL.>>RIGHT.>>THAT’S WHAT I WAS THINKING.>>THAT’S WHAT THE– SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE BACK TO THE GOVERNOR’S TEAM AND TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY CHANGING THAT HEADING TO BE MORE CLEAR. WE HAD TRIED TO CONVEY THAT BY SAYING THAT THEY’RE PROGRESSING TOWARD OR BEYOND PROFICIENCY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY MORE THAN ONE YEAR OF GROWTH PER ONE YEAR OF INSTRUCTION. WE CAN CLARIFY THAT.>>IF NOTHING ELSE, AT LEAST CLARIFY BY DEFINITION WHAT “PROGRESSING TOWARDS” MEANS.>>OKAY.>>BECAUSE PROGRESSING TOWARDS MEANS, IN MY MIND, ONE ONE-HUNDREDTH OF A PERCENT DIFFERENCE IN GROWTH FROM LAST YEAR.>>YEAH.>>AND THAT’S NOT ONE YEAR’S OF GROWTH.>>SO THIS IS– TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS TALKING ABOUT MAKING ENOUGH PROGRESS TOWARD PROFICIENCY THAT WITHIN A FEW YEARS, YOU WOULD BECOME PROFICIENT IF YOU’RE NOT YET THERE. AND ACTUALLY MAKING PROGRESS BEYOND PROFICIENCY. IT’S BASED ON OUR PERFORMANCE LEVEL CHANGE THAT WE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHERE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT AND IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR PERFORMANCE LEVEL FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT.>>I THINK IF YOU USE THE WORD “SIGNIFICANT” THAT WOULD CHANGE THE PERCEPTION CLEARLY.>>OKAY, SO IF WE TALKED ABOUT “PERCENTAGE OF STUDENTS MAKING “SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS TOWARD OR “BEYOND PROFICIENCY,” SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES?>>YEAH.>>OKAY.>>I THINK THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, IS JUST– IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE STUDENTS AREN’T REALLY DOING ANYTHING WHEN THEY REALLY ARE. THESE ARE– THIS IS THE EXCEPTION, NOT THE RULE?>>THIS IS THE EXCEPTIONAL PORTION.>>OKAY.>>MAKING MORE THAN ONE YEAR OF GROWTH– YEP.>>AND I THINK THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE JUST SAYING?>>YES.>>WE GOT IT.>>MOVING ON TO SCHOOL ACCOUNTABILITY. THIS IS THE PERCENT OF SCHOOLS IN MICHIGAN MEETING THE FEDERAL AYP REQUIREMENTS. YOU CAN SEE THAT WE DID HAVE AN INCREASE TWO YEARS AGO BUT IT STAYED RELATIVELY STABLE LAST YEAR. CULTURE OF LEARNING– THIS ONE REALLY IS ABOUT– WE ONLY HAVE ONE DATA POINT HERE BECAUSE THE SURVEY THAT IS GIVEN TO STUDENTS IN MICHIGAN ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY’VE BEEN BULLIED ON SCHOOL PROPERTY WAS ONLY GIVEN ONCE PREVIOUSLY AND IT’S GOING TO BE GIVEN AGAIN THIS YEAR. SO WE WILL HAVE TWO DATA POINTS GOING FORWARD, BUT WHAT WE CAN SEE HERE IS THAT THE SELF-REPORTED BULLYING ON SCHOOL PROPERTY IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER IN MICHIGAN THAN IT IS IN THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES. THIS ONE IS AN INTERESTING ONE. THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE OF ELIGIBLE STUDENTS WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE FREE AND REDUCED PRICE BREAKFAST AND LUNCH PROGRAMS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT NOTICE HERE IS THAT THIS COINCIDES WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT’S BREAKFAST CHALLENGE. THAT, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION. BUT IT IS INTERESTING THAT WE DO SEE THAT THIS DOES CORRELATE, AT A MINIMUM, WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT’S BREAKFAST CHALLENGE. WE ARE SEEING THAT THINGS ARE GOING UP, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF BREAKFASTS, BUT IN TERMS OF STUDENTS WHO ARE RECEIVING FREE LUNCH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT THIS GRAPH IS, “ISN’T THAT SIMPLY “BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE STUDENTS “WHO ARE NOW ELIGIBLE BECAUSE OF “THE DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY?” ACTUALLY, NO. THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE OF STUDENTS WHO ARE ELIGIBLE, WHO ACTUALLY RECEIVED FREE AND REDUCED LUNCHES AND BREAKFASTS. THIS ONE DOES TALK ABOUT–>>STILL– COULD YOU GO BACK A SECOND?>>SURE.>>I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE TO WONDER WHY IT’S NOT 100%?>>CULTURE.>>I AGREE.>>THERE’S A LOT OF– THERE ARE A LOT OF STUDENTS IN MY SCHOOL WHOSE PARENTS SAY, “NO, WE DON’T NEED THAT. “WE TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN.” SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THAT TOO AND I THINK THAT THAT PLAYS INTO IT A LOT.>>OKAY.>>THERE’S ALSO A FINE STUDY THAT SHOWED THAT GIRLS THAT– IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER OBESITY RATE FOR GIRLS WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM ON THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL THAN THOSE WHO DID NOT. AND NO DIFFERENCE IN THE BOYS ON THAT PARTICULAR STUDY. SO WHILE WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AND WE THINK, “YOU KNOW, FREE “LUNCH PROGRAM IS “AN UNMITIGATED GOOD. “WHY AREN’T MORE PEOPLE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS GOOD? SOMETIMES THERE ARE ASPECTS THAT WERE UNINTENDED AND THE CORRELATION OF HOT LUNCH, GOVERNMENT PROVIDED LUNCH PROGRAMS WITH OBESITY IS ONE OF THOSE UNANTICIPATED POSSIBILITIES. [ INDISTINCT ]>>YEAH.>>THE SCHOOL NUTRITION PROGRAM THAT WE APPROVED, THE NUTRITION STANDARDS– WE’RE TRYING TO GET THE SCHOOLS TO SERVE HEALTHY FOODS.>>RIGHT.>>AND THE GOVERNMENT IS PROVIDING MORE HEALTHY FOODS FOR THE SCHOOL LUNCHES THAN USED TO BE THE CASE. USED TO BE TO HELP THE FARMERS. NOW WE’RE TRYING TO HELP THE KIDS. [ LAUGHTER ]>>GOOD POINT, GOOD POINT.>>THANKS, JOSEPH.>>SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE VALUE FOR MONEY. THIS SIMPLY SHOWS THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS IN MICHIGAN WITH ONGOING DEFICITS. SO THIS IS THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS IN MICHIGAN THAT HAVE HAD AN ONGOING DEFICIT FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS OR MORE AND WE DO SEE THAT WITH THE ECONOMIC DOWNTURN, WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE ALSO IN THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS IN ONGOING DEFICIT.>>WHAT IS THAT CALLED? VALUE FOR MONEY?>>THAT WAS– IT IS CALLED “VALUE FOR MONEY.” IT’S THE GOVERNOR’S CATEGORIZATION OF WHAT EACH ONE OF THESE PARTICULAR METRICS SHOULD BE CALLED.>>SO TO SAY– SAY AGAIN WHAT THIS MEANS HERE? I’M SORRY.>>THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE– OR, NOT THE PERCENTAGE, BUT THE NUMBER OF MICHIGAN DISTRICTS THAT HAVE AN ONGOING DEFICIT. MEANING AN ONGOING DEFICIT FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE YEARS OR MORE.>>WHEN YOU SEE A LINE GOING UP IT ALWAYS USUALLY LOOKS LIKE IT’S SOMETHING GOOD. [ LAUGHTER ]>>THIS IS NOT GOOD.>>YOU’RE RIGHT, THIS IS NOT GOOD.>>MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE ZERO AT THE TOP AND GO DOWN? [ LAUGHTER ]>>DOESN’T SEEM TO FIT THE TITLE.>>WE ALSO HAVE POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION METRICS THAT–>>IT IS IN RED. [ LAUGHTER ]>>THERE YOU GO.>>YEAH, TRUE.>>SO WE HAVE POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION METRICS THAT SHOW TUITION AND FEES AS A PERCENTAGE OF MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME. IN MICHIGAN, WE CAN SEE THAT IT IS HIGHER THAN IN THE STATE– THAN IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES. SO THE GREEN IS MICHIGAN COMMUNITY COLLEGES. BLUE IS MICHIGAN COMMUNITY COLLEGES. THE YELLOW, THE COUNTERPART FOR THE U.S.– FOR THE ENTIRE U.S. SO YOU DO SEE THAT THERE ARE SLIGHTLY HIGHER PERCENTAGES FOR COMMUNITY COLLEGES. AND SOME HIGHER PERCENTAGES ALSO FOR MICHIGAN FOUR YEAR COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES COMPARED TO THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES. AGAIN, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE CONTROL OVER, BUT THESE ARE, BECAUSE WE ARE A K-12 AGENCY. BUT THESE ARE IMPORTANT PIECES HERE. SO AGAIN, STUDENTS WHO REQUIRE DEVELOPMENTAL COURSES IN MICHIGAN COMMUNITY COLLEGES. AND THIS HAS BEEN REPORTED DIRECTLY BY THE MICHIGAN COMMUNITY COLLEGE ASSOCIATION. AND THESE PROVIDE NUMBERS THAT ARE RELATIVELY HIGH. YES?>>THE TERM DEVELOPMENTAL COURSES IS NEW TO ME. IS THAT WHAT WE USED TO CALL REMEDIAL OR–>>YES.>>OKAY, THANK YOU.>>THAT’S WHAT IT IS NOW CALLED– DEVELOPMENTAL COURSES IN THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE COMMUNITY.>>OKAY.>>AND, JOSEPH?>>YES.>>AS WITH REGARD TO THE TUITION AND FEES AS A PERCENT OF MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME, IS THE ACTUAL DASHBOARD MEASURE HERE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR RATE AS A STATE VERSUS THE NATIONAL? OR IS IT JUST THE ABSOLUTE RATE FOR US?>>THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE RATE FOR MICHIGAN. SO MICHIGAN COMMUNITY COLLEGES IS AT A 3.5% OF THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME. FOR UNIVERSITIES– FOR THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES, IT WAS 3.7% IN THE 2006-2007 SCHOOL YEAR– 2008-2009, WE HAVE DIFFERENT DATA. BUT IT IS THE ABSOLUTES.>>SO WE’RE NOT AS CONCERNED WITH THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MICHIGAN AND THE NATIONAL AS WE ARE WITH WHAT OUR– THE ABSOLUTE RATE CHANGE FROM 3.5 TO 3.8?>>RIGHT. SO WHEN– IT DID GO FROM 3.5 TO 4.0.>>4.0.>>OVER TWO YEARS. AND THE SAME THING FOR UNIVERSITIES. IT WENT FROM 12.5 TO 15.9 OVER TWO YEARS.>>THAT’S DISTRESSING.>>MMM-HMM.>>I THINK IT DEMONSTRATES THAT TEN YEAR TREND. WASN’T IT TWO-THIRDS PRETTY MUCH PICKED UP BY THE STATE. NOW IT’S PRETTY MUCH A THIRD?>>IT USED TO BE COMMUNITY COLLEGES IT WAS.>>THINK THAT HIGH GREEN BAR DEMONSTRATES THAT COMPARED TO THE NATIONAL.>>RIGHT. COMMUNITY COLLEGE RETENTION RATE. WE ARE SEEING THAT COMMUNITY COLLEGES ARE RETAINING MORE OF THEIR STUDENTS. AND THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF RETAINING, RETAINING IN GRADE LEVEL, THIS IS RETAINING THEM FROM THEIR FIRST TO THEIR SECOND YEAR. UNIVERSITY FIRST YEAR RETENTION RATE IS RELATIVELY FLAT FOR MICHIGAN VERSUS THE UNITED STATES. SLIGHTLY HIGHER IN MICHIGAN. COMMUNITY COLLEGE GRADUATION AND TRANSFER RATE IS ACTUALLY GOING UP, BUT IT IS, AGAIN, ONLY LESS THAN 50%.>>COULD I ASK YOU TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS GRAPH?>>SURE.>>WHY IS THE UNITED STATES DOESN’T HAVE A POINT FOR THE LAST YEAR AND WE DO?>>SIMPLY BECAUSE THE DATA HAVE NOT BEEN GATHERED AND PUBLISHED FOR THAT YEAR YET.>>OH.>>WHEN IT HAS BEEN GATHERED AND PUBLISHED IT WOULD BE PUT ON THE GRAPH.>>OH, I THOUGHT MAYBE THEY STOPPED TAKING IT.>>CAN I JUST MAKE AN OBSERVATION THAT IS BOTHERING ME HERE? I’M ALL FOR GIVING DATA AND SHOWING INFORMATION. I THINK IT’S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. BUT THESE– SOME OF THESE GRAPHS SEEM TO BE IMPLYING VALUE STATEMENTS. FOR EXAMPLE, FIRST YEAR RETENTION RATES ARE AN IMPORTANT MEASURE OF STUDENT SATISFACTION WITH THE HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTION. THAT’S NOT NECESSARILY ACCURATE. IT COULD BE A COST ISSUE, IT COULD BE– SO, I MEAN, THIS IS A VALUE STATEMENT THAT IS LINING UP WHAT THIS INFORMATION IS SAYING. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE’RE NOT DOING THAT.>>I THINK THAT’S A GOOD POINT. WE CAN TAKE THAT BACK UP, PARTICULARLY ON THIS ONE AND SAY– TALK ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT MODIFY THAT “WHY IT MATTERS” STATEMENT. WE CAN TAKE THAT BACK TO THE GOVERNOR’S TEAM.>>I MEAN, I THINK THAT’S A GOOD POINT. ON A FEW OF THESE, WE’RE GOING TO TAKE IT BACK. ULTIMATELY, IT’S NOT OUR CALL.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>BUT I THINK IT’S GOOD TO GUIDE– AND THEY’VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO A LOT OF THE COMMENTS SO FAR. SO I’M ONLY TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT WE CAN’T UNILATERALLY–>>YEAH, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ISN’T NECESSARILY US, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO AT LEAST BE LEADERS AND SAY, “INFORMATION IS GOOD, BUT MAKING “RELATIONSHIPS BASED ON “INFORMATION, PROBABLY NOT “THE BEST THING TO DO.”>>YEAH, I BET THEY’RE VERY RESPONSIVE TO THAT, I JUST–>>AND CAN I SAY–>>YES?>>AS OF NOW, THE NARRATIVE STATEMENTS ARE COMING FROM THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE?>>YES.>>THAT’S WHAT I MEANT BY JUST CLARIFYING. IT DOESN’T MEAN THEY WON’T– THEY’VE ACCEPTED ADVICE REGULARLY. SO I DON’T– I DON’T ANTICIPATE A PROBLEM, I JUST– IT’S JUST SOMETHING I DON’T WANT TO LEAVE WITH JOSEPH AS IN, “JOSEPH, “WHY DIDN’T YOU CHANGE THAT?”>>NO, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. YEAH.>>ALL RIGHT, THEN WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGE GRADUATION AND TRANSFER RATES THAT WE DID SEE. WE ALSO HAVE UNIVERSITY GRADUATION RATES. AND THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE THERE IS A GOOD DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE UNITED STATES VERSUS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN MICHIGAN. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR FINAL METRIC THAT IS ON THE GOVERNOR’S DASHBOARD THAT LOOKS AT THE PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION WHO ARE 25 YEARS AND OVER WHO HOLD A BACHELOR’S DEGREE OR HIGHER. THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE WE ARE BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE BY ABOUT TWO TO THREE PERCENT.>>LOOKS LIKE MORE.>>ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO WANT TO– I DID MENTION THAT WE WILL BE PRODUCING THIS DASHBOARD FOR LOCAL DISTRICTS, AS REQUESTED IN THE GOVERNOR’S ADDRESS. WE HAD BEEN ON THAT ALREADY, PRODUCING SOME KIND OF DASHBOARD FOR LOCAL DISTRICTS. EVERYTHING– EACH ONE OF THESE MEASURES, EXCEPT FOR THE HIGHER EDUCATION MEASURES, WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR LOCAL DISTRICTS. AND WE WILL BE ADDING A COUPLE OF THINGS AT THIS POINT, SUCH AS HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION RATES, HIGH SCHOOL ACT SCORES, THE AVERAGE ACT SCORES, PROFICIENCY ON THE MICHIGAN MERIT EXAMINATION WHEN WE HAVE NEW CUT SCORES, MATH AND READING PROFICIENCY FOR ALL OF GRADES THREE THROUGH EIGHT, AND SOME CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION OUTCOMES. THERE ARE SOME REALLY GOOD CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION OUTCOMES, SUCH AS THE PERCENT OF CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION STUDENTS WHO GRADUATE VERY, VERY HIGH. AND THE PLACEMENT INTO EITHER JOB TRAINING OR INTO AN ACTUAL CAREER AFTER LEAVING HIGH SCHOOL OR INTO UNIVERSITIES IS VERY HIGH FOR CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION. SO THOSE WILL ALSO BE ON THERE.>>NANCY, PLEASE.>>WHEN YOU GET THOSE METRICS IN FOR CAREER AND TECHNICAL, WILL WE ALSO HAVE A GRAPH THAT SHOWS THOSE WHO NEED REMEDIATION FOR THEM IN THEIR FIRST YEAR IN THE CAREER AND TECHNICAL AS WELL? BECAUSE I THINK, AND HERE’S WHY. IT’S NOT THAT I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT THAT WE– WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE THEM, BUT I THINK AS OUR GRADUATION REQUIREMENTS GET FURTHER AND FURTHER IMPLEMENTED, WE’LL SEE THAT NUMBER GO DOWN AND THAT WILL BECOME A SUCCESS STORY. AND SO I’M WONDERING IF THERE’S A WAY THAT WE CAN RECORD THAT SUCCESS STORY AS WELL?>>I CAN ASK WHETHER OR NOT THOSE DATA HAVE BEEN GATHERED BY CTE. I KNOW THE GRADUATION AND PLACEMENT DATA HAS BEEN GATHERED BY– HAVE BEEN GATHERED BY THE OFFICE OF CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION. I’M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT REMEDIATION RATES SPECIFICALLY FOR CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION STUDENTS HAVE BEEN GATHERED. I CAN ASK.>>I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING THOUGHT THAT WE CAN SHOW THAT, “HEY, LOOK. “SEE WHAT HAPPENS?” [ LAUGHTER ]>>YEAH, GOOD IDEA.>>SO THIS WILL– THIS– THE LOCAL DASHBOARDS WILL BE AVAILABLE WITH EVEN FURTHER DRILLDOWNS TO FINANCIAL DATA, STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT DATA ON ALL TOPICS AND SUBJECTS– ALL SUBJECTS AND GRADES AND SO ON IN THE AUGUST TO SEPTEMBER TIMEFRAME.>>MATINGA, PLEASE?>>YEAH. AND I THINK ALSO IT’S– AS THE NUMBER OF COLLEGE GRADUATION RATE LOWERS, THE ARMY RECRUITMENT GOES HIGHER. BECAUSE THERE IS A HUGE FINANCIAL COMPONENT TO COLLEGE ATTENDANCE. AND SO AS THE ECONOMY IS, OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW A LOT OF MY STUDENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY DROP OUT NOT BECAUSE THEY CAN’T HANDLE IT, BUT BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL ISSUES. SO IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO POINT THAT OUT.>>THINK THAT WAS SIMILAR POINT CASANDRA WAS MAKING. THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE DISSATISFACTION WITH THE INSTITUTION.>>EXACTLY.>>THEY JUST CAN’T DO ANOTHER YEAR.>>THEY JUST SEEK OTHER OPTIONS.>>YEAH. THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS. AND I DIDN’T WANT TO LEAVE A FEELING– THEY’VE BEEN VERY OPEN TO ALL OF OUR SUGGESTIONS, SO WANT TO LEAVE A–>>THE–>>PLEASE.>>THE ONLY OTHER ONE THAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THE TITLE “VALUE FOR MONEY.” I THINK IT’S A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS TO SUGGEST THAT BECAUSE A DISTRICT MAY BE $1,000 IN DEBT, THAT SOMEHOW THE VALUE OF THAT EDUCATION HAS GONE DOWN.>>YES.>>THAT’S ANOTHER AREA I WOULD ASK, THAT MAYBE THEY’D CONSIDER A DIFFERENT TITLE FOR THAT.>>I HAD THE SAME REACTION. IT DIDN’T SEEM TO CORRELATE WHAT THE GRAPH SHOWED.>>I HAVEN’T BEEN DIRECTLY IN THESE, BUT– AND I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME DISCONNECT THERE IN THE CONNOTATION OF VALUE. I DO THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THEY’RE TRYING TO GET AT– AND THIS DOESN’T QUITE DO IT– IS, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE DISTRICTS IN THIS AREA– WELL, LET ME SAY IT THIS WAY– WE HAVE DISTRICTS IN DEFICIT, BUT THEY’RE IN VERY DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES. IN THIS AREA, THEY’RE IN DEFICIT AND THE AVERAGE TEACHER SALARY AT MASTERS MAX IS $60,000. SOME DISTRICTS IN SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN, THEY’RE IN DEFICIT AND THEIR AVERAGE TEACHER SALARY IS IN THE $90,000 RANGE.>>RIGHT.>>AND SO, PART OF THIS, IN DRILLING DOWN, IS HOW DO YOU MAKE, IN A LOCAL DISTRICT SETUP, WHICH WE ARE– HOW DO YOU MAKE DECISIONS, BECAUSE– NOT THAT IT’S EASY TO CHANGE THAT OVERNIGHT, BUT YOU COULD SEE WHERE BEING IN DEFICIT, IF YOUR MASTERS MAX IS $60,000, IT’S A LOT HARDER GETTING OUT THAN IF YOU’VE BEEN AT THIS HIGHER LEVEL FOR YEARS BECAUSE WE’VE HAD A GOOD ECONOMY AND THINGS HAVE WORKED OUT. AND WE’VE BEEN STRUGGLING, I THINK THEY’VE BEEN STRUGGLING TOO ON HOW YOU GET AT THAT. YOU KNOW, HOW YOU GET AT– BUT I THINK THAT’S WHAT THEY MEAN BY VALUE FOR MONEY BUT THIS ISN’T QUITE DOING IT.>>THAT’S NOT DOING IT.>>NOT CLEAR AT ALL.>>BUT WE FIND IT WHEN WE MEET WITH THE DEFICIT DISTRICTS, THAT THERE’S SOME THAT HAVE ALREADY DONE EVERYTHING. THEY’VE GOT RELATIVELY LOW SALARY STATEWIDE. THEY’VE ALREADY GOT 80/20 ON HEALTHCARE. THEY’VE DONE THIS, THEY’VE DONE THAT AND THEY’RE IN DEFICIT. THAT’S DIFFERENT THAN DISTRICT “X” THAT WAS IN HERE ONE DAY WITH $90,000 AND NO COPAY ON HEALTHCARE. I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THOSE AND THINK, “YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD “BE OUT OF DEFICIT.” AND IT’S A LITTLE BIT OF A– I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH GROUPING ALL DEFICITS TOGETHER, THERE’S ALMOST GOT TO BE A WAY SOONER OR LATER TO DISAGGREGATE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT KINDS OF DISTRICTS. BUT IT’S EASIER TO SAY THAN TO DO. EILEEN, PLEASE.>>I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT UNDER VALUE FOR MONEY, IF YOU CLICK ON THAT AGAIN, THERE’S TWO CATEGORIES: DISTRICTS IN DEFICIT AND POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION. ALL THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION INDICATE AN OUTCOME FOR PUBLIC DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING SPENT. DISTRICTS IN DEFICIT DOESN’T BELONG THERE. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CATEGORY. AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT’S NOT CALLED “VALUE FOR MONEY,” BUT IT’S CALLED “PUBLIC DOLLARS “EFFECTIVITY” OR SOMETHING.>>STEWARDSHIP.>>BUT I AGREE WITH YOU AND I JUST THINK IT DOESN’T BELONG IN THAT GROUP.>>YEAH.>>POST-SECONDARY IS ACTUALLY NOT UNDER VALUE FOR MONEY. IT’S A TOTALLY SEPARATE CATEGORY.>>OH, I’M SORRY. OKAY, YEAH, OKAY, THEN FOR SURE. [ LAUGHTER ]>>WE DON’T WANT “VALUE FOR MONEY.”>>SEE HOW EASILY YOUR WISH IS THEIR COMMAND? [ LAUGHTER ]>>WE TOOK CARE OF IT.>>I THINK WHAT THEY’RE DOING– AND CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG– IS BECAUSE EVEN IN LIKE THE MUNICIPALITY MESSAGE AND THE OTHERS THEY’RE GOING TO DO, THEY HAVE THESE COMMON NOMENCLATURES. SO VALUE FOR MONEY IS, FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES– THE NEXT MESSAGE MIGHT BE ON ENVIRONMENTAL, BUT I– THIS ONE DOESN’T FIT THERE. IT’S CLEAR IT DOESN’T FIT THERE AND THEY’RE TRYING TO JAM IT INTO A NOMENCLATURE THAT THEY HAVE FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF GOVERNMENT. AND THAT’S WHAT WE PROBABLY HAVE TO HELP THEM THINK THROUGH.>>MAYBE IT’S JUST A TOTALLY DIFFERENT GRAPH? MAYBE IT’S THE TOTALLY DIFFERENT– MAYBE THIS ISN’T THE METRIC YOU WANT TO HAVE UNDER VALUE FOR MONEY.>>RIGHT, I MEAN IT JUST DOESN’T–>>MAYBE VALUE FOR MONEY NEEDS TO CHANGE ACROSS THE BOARD.>>YEAH. [ LAUGHTER ]>>WHAT DID YOU SAY, CASANDRA?>>SHE SAID “MAYBE VALUE FOR “MONEY NEEDS TO CHANGE ACROSS “THE BOARD.”>>OH.>>YES?>>I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT– YOU SAID THAT YOU’RE DEVELOPING THE LOCAL DASHBOARD WITH CEPI? IN THE DEVELOPMENT, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DELIVER TO DISTRICTS THAT DON’T HAVE WEBSITES? OR DO WE ALL HAVE– DO WE HAVE ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS NOW HAVE THEIR OWN WEBSITE?>>ALMOST ALL DISTRICTS HAVE THEIR WEBSITE. I CAN’T GUARANTEE THAT ALL HAVE THEIR OWN WEBSITE. BUT THIS WILL BE A WEBSITE THAT IS OWNED BY THE STATE. YOU’LL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT– TYPE IN A SEARCH FOR DISTRICT, TYPE IN A DISTRICT CODE– MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET TO IT– DRILL DOWN TO A SCHOOL AND SEE THIS FOR A SCHOOL OR SEE IT FOR THE ENTIRE DISTRICT. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE DASHBOARD IS WHAT IS CALLED “POINTS OF PRIDE.” SO THAT SCHOOL DISTRICTS WILL BE ABLE TO WHAT– YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO COVER EVERYTHING AND WE’RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COVER EVERYTHING. SO SCHOOL DISTRICTS MIGHT BE ABLE TO REPORT, “YOU KNOW, “WE PROVIDE AP OPPORTUNITIES “FOR 90% OF OUR STUDENTS.” OR, YOU KNOW, THEY’D BE ABLE TO ADD ADDITIONAL THINGS, KIND OF IN A FREE FORM, SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO ALSO SEE WHAT IS IT THAT THE DISTRICT WANTS TO SAY ABOUT ITSELF THAT WE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO CAPTURE IN THE PIECES THAT WE’VE PULLED OUT.>>THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.>>EXCUSE ME.>>–IF THEY HAVE A GOOD MUSIC PROGRAM, FOR INSTANCE, THEY CAN TOUT THAT.>>SURE.>>AND BY THE WAY, SPEAKING OF GOOD STORIES– REALLY WE’VE GOTTEN SUCH POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THE BEATING THE ODDS SCHOOLS. AND SO MANY STORIES THAT I THINK YOU’VE SEEN IN NEWS TO KNOW, THAT IT’S REALLY– AND DISTRICTS ARE HOOKING UP TO THE ONES THAT ARE LIKE THEM IN DEMOGRAPHIC SENSE AND “WHAT ARE THEY DOING “THAT WE’RE NOT,” AND– JUST MENTION THAT IN PASSING. I MEAN, THAT’S WHERE DATA– THAT TO ME IS, MAYBE AT LEAST IN MY TIME HERE, THE MOST POWERFUL DATA POINTS THAT WE’VE MADE AVAILABLE, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO SOMETHING WITH IT. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE, EVEN LIKE KATHY I THINK INFERRED. YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE A BIG DIFFERENCE BUT THEN YOU REALIZE THE GRAPH ON THE SIDE IS ONLY A COUPLE OF PERCENTAGE POINTS. THESE ARE HARDER. BUT I THINK ONCE YOU HAVE MORE WE CAN GET AT, EVEN INDEPENDENTLY. I MEAN THESE ARE ALL TO TIE IN WITH THE GOVERNOR’S MESSAGE, WHICH IS FINE. BUT WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE OUR OWN, LIKE BEATING THE ODDS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE THINK REALLY CUT TO THE CORE IN ADDITION TO THIS. YOU KNOW AND THAT A– I MEAN, I WASN’T SURE ABOUT THAT. I THOUGHT, WOULD THERE BE A CERTAIN BACKLASH THAT, YOU KNOW, “WHY THESE SCHOOLS?” BUT IT REALLY HASN’T HAPPENED. PEOPLE ARE SAYING, “YOU KNOW, “WE NEED TO FIND OUT HOW THEY’RE “ABLE TO DO IT.” AND THAT’S WHY DATA IS GOOD.>>YOU KNOW, I THINK WE’VE HAD SO MUCH NEGATIVITY ON SCHOOLS, AND SCHOOLS DOING POORLY, AND BEING PUNISHED FOR THIS AND THAT. AND TO FINALLY HAVE SOMETHING POSITIVE CARRIES A HUGE–>>YEP, EXACTLY RIGHT. SO ANY OTHER FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR TEAM? CASANDRA, PLEASE?>>QUICK ONE. FOR THE K-12, WHEN IT SHOWS LIKE STUDENT GROWTH OVER TIME FOR A PARTICULAR SCHOOL, DOES IT ALSO INCLUDE MICHIGAN AVERAGES? SO THAT A PARENT LOOKING AT THAT WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS?>>THAT’S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE BUILT INTO THE DASHBOARD. WE ARE DOING FINAL REQUIREMENTS GATHERING. THAT’S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.>>AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF THIS TOO, THE UNDERPINNINGS OF SOME OF THIS IS THE SUIT ON COLLECTING DATA. YOU KNOW, AND WHAT WE’RE ALLOWED TO DO AND NOT DO. AND WHAT DATA WE ACTUALLY HAVE. THE ADAIR SUIT– IT IS ADAIR, RIGHT?>>YES.>>SO I THINK CEPI HAS SOME CHALLENGES. BECAUSE WE– I’M TRYING TO THINK WHAT IT WAS LATELY WHERE WE– OH, IT WAS THE MILITARY KIDS.>>MMM-HMM.>>THE KIDS OF MILITARY FAMILIES, WHERE WE COULDN’T ORDER THAT THESE BE– DATA BE COLLECTED, BUT WE PLEADED. BECAUSE AS THESE KIDS ARE TRANSFERRED AROUND AND YOU CAN FOLLOW THEIR DATA. YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAW THE OTHER DAY THE NEWS CLIP OF BOTH MOMS AND DADS COMING BACK AFTER TWO YEARS, LOCALLY HERE, I THINK IN GRAND LEDGE AS A MATTER OF FACT OR MAYBE IT WAS DeWITT. AND YOU REALIZE THAT THESE KIDS ARE RUNNING UP AND HAVEN’T SEEN THEIR PARENTS AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT NEEDS. SO IN A WAY, I THINK WE DID GET A GOOD RESPONSE, AS FAR AS I KNOW. BUT YOU WONDER WHY EVERYONE WOULDN’T JUST GIVE US THE DATA AND NOT, LET’S SAY, ADAIR. YOU KNOW, I KIND OF GET THE ADAIR THING. I WAS CO-CHAIR OF IT YEARS AGO IN ANOTHER LIFE. SO I DID– YOU JUST CAN’T KEEP ORDERING MORE DATA AS A STATE AND NOT HAVE RESOURCES FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT DATA. THAT’S FUNDAMENTALLY TRUE. BUT OCCASIONALLY WE JUST NEED– “HEY, GIVE US THIS ONE POINT “AND WE GET YOUR MAJOR POINT.”>>AND I THINK THAT’S WHY I WAS SO CONCERNED ABOUT HOW LOCAL DISTRICTS WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE WHAT CEPI WAS CREATING FOR THEM. BECAUSE I THINK THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS I’VE HEARD IN LOCAL DISTRICTS. SMALL, ESPECIALLY THE SMALL DISTRICTS, IS “OKAY, THIS IS GREAT. “THIS IS WHAT THE GOVERNOR WANTS “AND QUITE FRANKLY IT’S WHAT “WE WANT TOO. “BUT WE DON’T HAVE THE CAPACITY “TO USE THIS. “HOW DO WE USE IT?” AND SO I’M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THEY’RE WILLING TO HOUSE THAT ON THEIR OWN AND MAKE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO LOCAL DISTRICTS ON HOW THEY CAN USE IT, AND WHERE THEY CAN FIND IT, AND NOT HAVE TO INCUR THE COSTS OF DEVELOPING SOMETHING THEY DIDN’T HAVE BEFORE JUST FOR THIS DASHBOARD. AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ENCOURAGE SOME IN LATER YEARS TO, IF THEY ARE ABLE TO, TO HAVE A MORE ROBUST IT PRESENCE FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES. BUT HAVE THIS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW.>>YEAH. WELL, THANK YOU GUYS. GREAT. AND YOU’LL BRING THOSE IMPROVEMENT SUGGESTIONS IN AND MAYBE REPORT BACK AT MID MONTH OR SOMETHING. WE’LL SEE IF WE GOT– DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT?>>YES.>>WE CAN SEE AT MID MONTH IF WE’VE GOTTEN SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THE SUGGESTIONS.>>GOOD, THANK YOU.>>NICE JOB.>>THANK YOU.>>A LOT GOES INTO THAT. I GUESS YOU PROBABLY KNOW THAT BUT I– IT ALWAYS LOOKS EASIER WHEN IT’S KIND OF DONE THAN WHAT THESE GUYS HAVE WORKED ON, SO.>>NOTHING OF THAT SORT LOOKS EASY TO ME. [ LAUGHTER ]>>THAT’S TRUE. THE SECOND ITEM IS DISCUSSION REGARDING GOVERNOR SNYDER’S EDUCATION MESSAGE. AND I THINK I’M GOING TO TURN THIS RIGHT OVER TO JOHN. I THINK JOHN IS GOING TO LEAD THIS DISCUSSION.>>SURE. MARILYN PASSES OUT A POTENTIAL STARTING POINT FOR A DRAFT. THE STATEMENT, AS WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE CONVENED THIS YEAR– NEW GOVERNOR, NEW LEGISLATURE. OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PLACE THEIR STAMP ON AN EDUCATION AGENDA, AND CLEARLY GOVERNOR SNYDER SIGNALED EARLY HE WANTED TO COME QUICKLY WITH AN EDUCATION MESSAGE AND AN EDUCATION REFORM SET OF PROPOSALS. YOU KNOW, I’M VERY HAPPY THAT WE, TOGETHER, IN A BIPARTISAN WAY, MADE A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO HIM AND THE LEGISLATURE IN FEBRUARY ABOUT WHAT WE BELIEVE PRIORITIES SHOULD BE FOR CONTINUED EDUCATION IMPROVEMENT REFORM. YOU KNOW, MIKE HAS BEEN GIVING CONTINUING GOOD ADVICE TO THE GOVERNOR IN BOTH SHAPING THE MESSAGE AND PLOTTING OUT HOW WE MOVE AHEAD. THE GOVERNOR DID DELIVER AN EDUCATION MESSAGE RECENTLY. I THINK OUR, I GUESS, LISTENING TO EACH OTHER AND TALKING TO EACH OTHER, CIRCULATING IDEAS. I AM HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN MAKE A STATEMENT TOGETHER IN RESPONSE TO THAT MESSAGE, THAT FOCUSES ON TWO THINGS. ONE, I BELIEVE HE LISTENED AND HIS TEAM HAVE HAD GOOD DIALOGUE WITH US AND MIKE ABOUT PRIORITIES. MUCH OF WHAT WE RECOMMENDED IS INCORPORATED IN HIS MESSAGE. AND HE ALSO– SO I REALLY LIKE US TO ENCOURAGE US TO FOCUS ON THE AREAS WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF COMMON GROUND IN TERMS OF PRIORITIES FOR EDUCATION IMPROVEMENT AND REFORM THAT WE SHARE TOGETHER IN TERMS OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND HIS MESSAGE. AND ALSO, HE SPECIFICALLY ASKED US TO HELP BE AGENTS OF FOLLOW THROUGH THE BOARD, THE DEPARTMENT, ON KEY ELEMENTS OF REFORM, WHICH ARE ONES THAT WE PUT OUR HAND UP FOR. SO I AM PARTICULARLY EAGER THAT WE SIGNAL THAT WE’RE EAGER TO DO OUR JOB IN FOLLOWING THROUGH ON THE TASKS WHERE THE STATE BOARD AND THE DEPARTMENT ARE ASKED TO LEAD IN DEVELOPING THE PIECES OF EDUCATION REFORM, PARTICULARLY ON THE TEACHER STUFF. SO THERE’S A DRAFT STATEMENT THAT TRIES TO EMBODY THE SPIRIT OF THAT, COLLECTED FROM YOU ALL. AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION, COMMENTS, THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT WORK TOWARDS A STATEMENT. MAYBE ADOPT SOMETHING THIS AFTERNOON THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON?>>THANKS, JOHN. RICHARD– YES, SIR.>>I FEEL VERY POSITIVE ABOUT THIS STATEMENT HERE. I THINK IT’S DRAWN UP IN A VERY MEASURED WAY. AND I APPRECIATE– WELL, YOUR INITIAL STATEMENT AFTER THE GOVERNOR’S ANNOUNCEMENT AND THIS DRAFT. I THINK IT’S VERY– I THINK IT’S VERY BALANCED. I APPRECIATE THAT.>>CASANDRA?>>I THINK IT’S GOOD TOO. I HAVE A COUPLE OF MINOR LITTLE THINGS TO ADD. AND I’LL JUST– IN THE FIRST SENTENCE, I WOULD JUST ADD THE WORD THOUGHTFUL. “WHEN LEADERSHIP IN MAKING “THOUGHTFUL EDUCATION “IMPROVEMENT REFORM.” AND THEN, “WE’RE PLEASED WITH “THIS OUTREACH”–>>WHERE ARE YOU?>>FIRST LINE.>>THE FIRST LINE–>>WHERE IT SAYS, “THE STATE “BOARD OF EDUCATION WELCOMES “THE GOVERNOR’S LEADERSHIP IN “MAKING THOUGHTFUL “EDUCATION IMPROVEMENT.”>>AND THEN “WE’RE PLEASED WITH “THIS OUTREACH TOO, “AND WELCOMING OF THE ADVICE OF “THE STATE BOARD.”>>MMM-HMM.>>AND THEN MY ONLY OTHER THING IS, THE SECOND BULLET POINT WHERE WE TALK ABOUT EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT. WE COULD PROBABLY LOSE THE WHOLE LINE THROUGH CONSOLIDATION OF EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAMS. IT SEEMS A LITTLE UNNECESSARY IF WE’RE JUST SAYING “WE APPRECIATE “EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT, “IMPROVING EARLY CHILDHOOD “LEARNING OUTCOMES.”>>EXCEPT THAT WAS THE WHOLE GOAL OF HIS THRUST WAS THAT CONSOLIDATING, UNLESS YOU DON’T APPRECIATE THE CONSOLIDATING–>>NO-NO-NO, I’M JUST SAYING, THAT WASN’T OUR RECOMMENDATION AND THE LINE ABOVE SAYS HE INCORPORATED OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.>>WE DID INCORPORATE, CASANDRA, IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, “BETTER INTEGRATE AND ALIGNED “THE 80-PLUS MICHIGAN EARLY “CHILDHOOD INITIATIVES “AND BUDGETS WITHIN AN MDE “HOUSED AGENCY OF EARLY “CHILDHOOD EDUCATION,” I THINK–>>OKAY– OKAY, THEN LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS.>>–WE REPEATED THIS ORGANIZING RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS IN AIR.>>NEVER MIND, YOU CAN LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS THEN.>>YOU COULD DROP EVERYTHING AFTER CONSOLIDATION. DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH DETAIL YOU WANT TO THROW IN THERE.>>CONSOLIDATION– YEAH. I WASN’T– I FORGOT THAT WE HAD MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION AND THAT’S WHY I WAS MAKING THE SUGGESTION. BUT SINCE WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION, THEN I THINK IT’S FINE. [ LAUGHTER ]>>BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR.>>YES.>>NO, THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD ACTUALLY. I DON’T MEAN TO–>>WHAT– I HAVE A QUESTION HERE.>>YES, PLEASE.>>ON THE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS ON THE WAY WE PREPARE, SUPPORT, EVALUATE AND REWARD TEACHERS. HAVE WE APPROVED– OR WHAT HAVE WE APPROVED ALREADY IN THAT SEGMENT?>>APPROVED OR RECOMMENDED?>>WELL, I’M GOING ALONG WITH WHAT CASANDRA JUST MENTIONED ABOUT THE EARLY CHILDHOOD AND–>>I PUT THOSE QUOTES AROUND BECAUSE THAT’S LANGUAGE FROM HIS MESSAGE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS AN EXCELLENT SUMMARY OF WHAT WE HAD RECOMMENDED.>>RIGHT.>>AND THE SPECIFICS HERE ARE, I BELIEVE, IN LINE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE MADE ABOUT OUR INTEREST IN REFASHIONING TEACHER CERTIFICATION TO HELP DELIVER THE COMMON CORE, TO HELP BE THE AGENT TO DEVELOPING AND USE EFFECTIVE ASSESSMENTS OF TEACHER PERFORMANCE. AND THAT WAS AN AREA WHERE HE ASKED DSB, THE STATE BOARD AND THE DEPARTMENT, TO HELP FASHION THAT SOLUTION, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE ASKED FOR SPECIFICALLY. ALONG WITH REFINING THE TEACHER EDUCATION CONTINUING EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS. IMPLEMENT ALTERNATIVE CERTIFICATION AND ADMINISTRATOR TRAINING FOR– ADMINISTRATOR TRAINING, WHICH I KNOW MARIANNE, IS NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR HEART. SO ALL OF THESE BULLETS ARE THINGS THAT WE RECOMMENDED AND PUT UP OUR HAND FOR.>>OKAY. AND WAS THAT PART OF– WERE ALL OF THESE PART OF RACE TO THE TOP, OR– WELL I THINK THE ADMINISTRATOR TRAINING WAS DONE SEPARATELY. AND THE COMMON CORE WAS DONE SEPARATELY. I’M JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD STATE WHERE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IMPROVING OR REFASHIONING, IF WE COULD PUT THOSE SEPARATELY?>>FROM WHAT?>>WELL, FROM THE ONES WHERE WE HAVE ALREADY AFFIRMED AND DEVELOPED A PLAN.>>BUT THAT’S PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE GAVE THE GOVERNOR.>>THEY WERE ALL IN THE FEBRUARY PLAN YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT?>>YEAH. I PRINTED THAT OFF SO I COULD KIND OF CROSSWALK IT.>>OH, OKAY.>>AND THAT’S WHAT I WAS HAPPY TO SEE, WAS THEIR WAS A CROSSWALK.>>BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD ONLY DONE A COUPLE OF THOSE.>>NO, THEY’RE ALL PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.>>OKAY.>>RICHARD, PLEASE?>>MAY I COMMENT AND MAYBE THIS WILL GET TO SOME OF YOUR CONCERN, MARIANNE. THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS.>>RIGHT.>>I MEAN, I SUPPORT THESE THINGS IN CONCEPT, BUT I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO LOOK LIKE WHEN WE WORK THROUGH THEM. AND I’M VERY CONCERNED THAT–>>YEAH, ME TOO.>>–WITH THAT AND I– SO WHILE I APPRECIATE THE ENDORSEMENT, NOW THE MONKEY IS ON OUR BACK TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING CONSISTENT AND REASONABLE.>>SURE, SURE.>>SO I THINK THAT MAYBE WHERE YOU HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS AS WELL.>>RIGHT, RIGHT.>>I THINK WE ALL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY IT WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN WE ACTUALLY DEVELOP OR–>>YES.>>WELL SOME OF THESE THAT– FOR EXAMPLE, I’M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE ONE THAT I HAPPILY AGREED TO AND CASANDRA HAD A CONCERN ABOUT SOMETHING THAT TECHNICALLY WAS WITHIN MY–>>ALTERNATIVE CERTIFICATION.>>YEAH. SO WE’RE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD. AND I WOULDN’T MOVE, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY IT’S IN MY ARENA, WITHOUT THE BOARD’S CONSENSUS ON THAT. AND YOU’RE RIGHT, THOSE DETAILS ARE NOT FORTHCOMING YET, BUT YOU’LL HAVE A SHOT AT IT. THAT’S A GOOD EXAMPLE. THREE TIER IS WHAT WE’VE BEEN COMMONLY CALLING THE THREE TIER MOVEMENT WHERE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. I SEE LOIS AND FRANK AND OTHERS WHO’VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR FOLKS ON MOVING THAT. THERE’S PIECES OF THAT THAT WOULD COME FORTH AS PART OF THIS LANGUAGE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN HIS LANGUAGE, HE’S NOT CALLING IT SOME OF THE SAME STUFF THAT WE’VE ACTUALLY BEEN WORKING ON WITH COMMITTEES. BUT THOSE THINGS WILL COME FORTH WITH SPECIFICS ALSO.>>JOHN, PLEASE, AND THEN NANCY.>>I WAS ENCOURAGING MARIANNE. I MEAN, I VIEW IT AS A VERY HEALTHY DYNAMIC THAT THE GOVERNOR WOULD TURN TO THE BOARD AND DEPARTMENT TO PUT THOUGHTFUL DEVIL IN THE DETAILS WORK ON THESE ITEMS.>>MMM-HMM.>>AND WELCOME DYNAMIC. AS OPPOSED TO OTHER WAYS THEY COULD GET DEFINED, SUCH AS THE LEGISLATURE DEFINING EVERY DETAIL ON EACH OF THESE DIFFICULT TOPICS. YOU KNOW, IT IS A REMINDER, THOUGH, WE NEED TO KEEP REMINDING THE GOVERNOR, WE, THE DEPARTMENT, NEEDS CAPACITY TO HELP MANAGE THE PROCESSES THAT CAN PROVIDE THE THOUGHTFUL KICK OUT ON ANY OF THESE. SO THAT WAS JUST ANOTHER NOTE THAT I ENCOURAGED IN SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE GOVERNOR’S FOLKS. WE’VE GOT GREAT PEOPLE AND IT’S A GOOD DYNAMIC TO HAVE THE DEPARTMENT– MIKE AND US– PROVIDE THE DETAIL.>>APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING IT. I WROTE THE BUDGET DIRECTOR AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF THE OTHER DAY ON THAT VERY POINT. BECAUSE IN THE LEGISLATURE– NOT WITH MALICE. I MEAN, THEY’RE GOING THROUGH LOTS OF STUFF ON THE BUDGET, BUT YOU CAN’T JUST PUT BACK IN SOME STUFF THAT WE ACTUALLY PROBABLY WON’T HAVE A ROLE IN SOON AND THEN FORCE US TO TAKE OUT MONEY ARBITRARILY FROM OTHER AREAS AND EXPECT THIS STUFF TO GET DONE. AND I’M HOPING– I’M ACTUALLY CONFIDENT WE’LL GET THAT SUPPORT AT THE GOVERNOR’S LEVEL. AND I THINK WE WILL EVEN AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL AS THEY UNDERSTAND THE NUANCES OF SOME OF THIS. BECAUSE IT ISN’T JUST GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I THINK, TO REINFORCE WHAT JOHN SAID, YOU SAID IT VERY DIPLOMATICALLY, BUT IT’S A COMPLIMENT TO THE BOARD AND THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE WERE GIVEN THIS CHARGE. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN A MORE DIRE WAY. ALMOST ARBITRARILY, THAT HERE’S WHAT’S GOING TO BE THE CASE. AND, YOU KNOW, I– THAT’S A BIG DEAL AND PROBABLY SHOULDN’T UNDERSTATE IT. BECAUSE IT’S THOUGHTFUL, THERE’S A BIPARTISAN BOARD. THERE’S A DEPARTMENT THAT WORKS ON THESE ISSUES REGULARLY, INTERACTS WITH A LOT OF FOLKS IN THE FIELD. SO I THINK IT WAS MAYBE ONE OF THE HIDDEN HIGHLIGHTS OF THE MESSAGE. BECAUSE IT– IN SOME WAYS, TO THE AVERAGE PERSON, IT WOULD BE “WELL, OF COURSE IT’S GOING TO “GO TO THE STATE BOARD “AND THE DEPARTMENT.” IT DIDN’T HAVE TO. YOU KNOW, SO I–>>COULD BE PROCLAIMED.>>RIGHT, RIGHT. CASANDRA, THEN NANCY.>>NO, I THINK NANCY WAS BEFORE ME.>>IT WAS NANCY, CASANDRA, THEN KATHY.>>I GUESS, TO THAT POINT, WHAT MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WAS TO BE A LITTLE MORE FIRM IN OUR LAST STATEMENT WHERE IT SAYS “THE STATE BOARD OF “EDUCATION, MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT “OF EDUCATION, COMMIT TO DO “OUR PART.” I THINK I WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE FIRM IN THAT RESPECT. AND I’M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD BE BUT SOMETHING TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS THE BUSINESS OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THE BOARD. AND THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING THE INFORMATION AND THE RESOURCES NECESSARY TO REALIZE THE HAPPENING– THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE THINGS. BECAUSE I THINK THEN THAT DOES– IT DOES GO ALONG WITH WHAT THE GOVERNOR AGREES, BUT IT ALSO SAYS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE HERE TO PROVIDE THE– FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD– REAL SOLUTIONS. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT IS POSSIBLE OR NOT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT’S SOMETHING THAT– BECAUSE TO DO OUR PART, BOY. IT COULD BE TO STAND UP AND SAY, “GOOD JOB.” THAT’S OUR PART AND I DON’T WANT IT TO BE THAT PART.>>CARRY OUT THE IMPLEMENTATION. CARRY OUT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY?>>MMM-HMM. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT IN THERE.>>ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE?>>KATHY, ON THAT SAME POINT?>>CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY BY LEADERSHIP.>>LEADERSHIP IS GOOD, YEAH.>>LEADERSHIP. CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY. JOHN, LOOKS LIKE YOU’VE GOT SOME. MAKING THE MASTER CRAFTER HERE.>>MAKING LAWS TO SEE WHAT WE COULD BRING BACK THIS AFTERNOON IS SOME STRONGER LANGUAGE ON THAT. TRY TO CRAFT SOMETHING.>>YEAH.>>CASANDRA, AND THEN KATH.>>I AGREE THAT IT IS A GOOD SIGN THAT THIS IS COMING TO US AND TO THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. THE REASON THAT I WANTED TO ADD THE WORD “THOUGHTFUL” THOUGH, IS BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED AT THE SPEED IN WHICH THE EXPECTATION IS WE WILL CARRY THIS OUT. I, YOU KNOW, I’M FROM THE OLD SCHOOL THAT BELIEVES THAT GOOD PUBLIC POLICY TAKES TIME AND IT TAKES INPUT AND DEBATE. AND I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED, OR I WAS VERY CONCERNED, WHEN THE GOVERNOR SAID HIS EXPECTATION WAS JULY. TO ME, REAL, MEANINGFUL REFORM, CAN’T BE DONE THAT QUICKLY. WE DID IT LAST YEAR AND NOW WE’RE LIVING WITH THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRULY BEING THOUGHTFUL AND INCLUSIVE WHEN WE COME UP WITH THIS STUFF.>>I THINK AND I– CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG– I THINK WE INFLUENCED HIM TO MOVE OUR DEADLINE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR.>>OKAY.>>LEGISLATIVE RELATED ISSUES ARE JULY 4th. BUT I THINK OUR WORK– WHICH STILL CAN BE PROBLEMATIC. I MEAN, THERE’S SUMMER AND RESOURCES, SO.>>YEAH.>>BUT I FEEL THE SPIRIT BEHIND THAT, WE CAN TRY TO MEET. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK WE’VE GOT A REPRIEVE AND GOT A LITTLE MORE TIME ON THESE SPECIFIC THINGS GET PUT IN OUR COURT. THE LEGISLATIVE PIECES, LISA MAYBE CAN HELP ME, I THINK WERE MEANT TO BE MORE– TRYING TO GET IT IN A PACKAGE.>>THEY ARE TRYING TO GET ALL THE LEGISLATIVE PIECES IN A PACKAGE. THE IMPRESSION I’M GETTING IS THEY’RE GOING TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS THEY CAN, TENURE FIRST AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY’LL DO AFTER THAT.>>RIGHT, BUT I THINK THOSE– IN THE SAME SPIRIT AS YOUR COMMENTS COULD APPLY TO THOSE THINGS ALSO.>>RIGHT.>>I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY, THE THINGS THAT ARE IN OUR COURT, WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE. WE HAVE JULY AND AUGUST, WE HAVE TWO MORE MONTHS. AND FRANKLY, WE NEED TO DO IT RIGHT.>>RIGHT.>>SO I THINK WE’LL DO IT RIGHT. I THINK IT WAS KATH, THEN NANCE, OR MAYBE IT WAS NANCE, THEN KATH. I KEEP GETTING THIS–>>WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS WE WORKED ON ALREADY. THERE HAS BEEN SOME INVOLVEMENT OF THE TEACHERS OF THE MEA AND THE MFT. AND THAT’S VERY IMPORTANT THAT– IT CAN’T BE DONE WITHOUT THEM.>>YEAH, IF WE DIDN’T HAVE THIS COUPLE OF YEAR HEAD START ON WHAT WE’VE BEEN CALLING A THREE TIER RETHINKING, WE WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO DO THIS BY SEPTEMBER ONE. I MEAN IT JUST WOULD BE–>>BUT I THINK CASANDRA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT TAKES TIME TO GET THE INVOLVEMENT THAT YOU NEED TO GET [ INDISTINCT ].>>YEAH.>>LIKE ANYTHING DOES.>>YEAH.>>WELL, AND THAT’S WHY IT’S REALLY TERRIFIC THAT THE WORK THAT WE’VE BEEN DOING WITH OUR PRIORITIES, WE REINFORCED IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE HAVE MADE SOME HEADWAY. BUT NOW, TO HAVE MANY OF THOSE PRIORITIES– PARTICULARLY, AS YOU KNOW, THE TEACHER STUFF– BE REINFORCED BY THE GOVERNOR’S CALL FOR ACTION, IS AS IT SHOULD BE.>>MMM-HMM. I THINK WITHOUT– IF I CONDONE IT, WITHOUT HIS REINFORCEMENT OF THAT, IT LEAVES THE FEELING THAT ALL THESE REFORMS ARE ACTUALLY NOT DONE BY PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS PUTTING A HEAVY DOSE OF “WHAT DO WE NEED “TO DO TO HELP US ALL GET “BETTER AT WHAT WE DO.” IN A LESS PUNITIVE WAY THAN SOME OTHER STATES ARE DOING IT AND IN A WAY THAT IS THOUGHTFUL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PROFESSION. BUT FILLING A GAP THAT YOU CAN’T JUST HAVE REFORMS AND NOT THINK ABOUT MY DAUGHTER THE TEACHER. OR FRANKLY, ME THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT. AND HOW WE GET BETTER AT WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE SUPPORT THAT. SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY POWERFUL ADDITION TO THE MESSAGE THAT– NANCE?>>I THINK AS I LOOK AT THESE, THERE ISN’T A SINGLE ITEM– ESPECIALLY UNDER THE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS AND THE WAY WE PREPARE, SUPPORT, EVALUATE AND REWARD TEACHERS– THERE ISN’T A SINGLE ITEM UNDER THERE THAT WE HAVEN’T ALREADY DONE WORK ON AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL AND HAD DISCUSSION ON AT THE BOARD LEVEL. IS IT FINISHED? NO. ARE WE COMPLETE AND READY TO GO WITH IT? NO. BUT IT ISN’T LIKE THIS IS A NEW DAY AND WE’D NEVER HEARD OF IT AND IT HASN’T EVEN BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE. AND I THINK THE VERY WORKGROUPS THAT YOU’VE HAD WORKING ON IT AND YOU REFERRED TO ONE OF THEM WITH THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM THAT ARE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT, OUR REASON FOR WHY WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. AND THE OTHER THING I THINK TO KEEP IN MIND IS, THE GOVERNOR SET A GOAL.>>RIGHT.>>A GOAL IS NOT AN ULTIMATUM. AND I THINK THAT JUST AS, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME ANY NEW PRESIDENT COMES IN AND REAUTHORIZED ESEA, THEY SET GOALS THAT ARE SOMETIMES REACHED AND SOMETIMES NOT. BUT IF WE DON’T HAVE A GOAL IN FRONT OF US, WE CAN DRAG THIS OUT FOREVER AND NOT REALLY DO IT. SO I APPRECIATE THE GOAL, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT TO GET THE JOB DONE CORRECTLY, SOME OF THIS MAYBE DONE BY JULY, SOME MAYBE BY SEPTEMBER, SOME MAYBE BY NEXT FEBRUARY, BUT IT’S GOING TO BE DONE CORRECTLY BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT’S THE GOAL. AND SO I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO– I APPRECIATE THIS DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, “YEAH, WE’RE IN THIS “TOGETHER AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT “WE’RE ALL GOING– STROKING “THE SAME WAY HERE AND GOING “DOWN THE SAME RIVER.” BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU’D BE TEMPTED TO GO ALL OVER THE PLACE AND IT’S NICE TO HAVE THAT.>>VERY COOL. SO WE’LL BRING SOMETHING BACK IN THE AFTERNOON? JOHN, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE FEEDBACK SO FAR?>>EVERYBODY HAD THEIR SHOT? OKAY.>>OKAY. AND THEN WE’LL HAVE IT AS A POSSIBLE ACTION ITEM IN THE AFTERNOON. AND I THINK WE’RE GOING TO– THIS IS WHERE THE AGENDA WAS AMENDED A BIT TO HAVE SOME POSSIBLE DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC FORUMS THAT JOHN’S WRITTEN ABOUT AND THOUGHT ABOUT A BIT. THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSION FOR PUBLIC HERE TODAY AT THE LAST MEETING AND THIS IS KIND OF A CONTINUATION OF THAT.>>SO AS YOU ALL KNOW–>>SORRY, GO AHEAD.>>YOU KNOW, I’VE BEEN ENCOURAGING US IN THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY, WHICH I HOPE WE’LL DO MORE OF TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE. BUT I THINK THAT GIVEN ALL THE REFORM IN THE AIR, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS BOARD MEMBERS TO GO OUT AND INVITE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN AND LEARN FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS, EXPLAIN OUR OWN ACTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS BUT ALSO DRAW FORWARD AND SHINE A SPOTLIGHT ON INNOVATIONS AND BEST PRACTICES, INCLUDING BEATING THE ODDS SCHOOLS AND OTHERS, IS VERY IMPORTANT AND HEALTHY. SO I HOPE YOU ALL SUPPORT DOING SOME OF THESE WE’LL LEARN HOW TO DO THESE WELL AND DO MORE OF THEM IN THE FUTURE. THE REASON I’M ENCOURAGING HIGHER ED INSTITUTIONS TO HOST, IS THEY’RE NEUTRAL CONVENERS. THEY’RE NOT A K-12, AXE TO GRIND SETTING. AND THEY’RE ABLE AND EAGER TO DO THE LOGISTICAL WORK WITHOUT OUR HAVING TO LIFT ANY REAL FINGERS. SO THESE ARE A SET OF FORUMS THAT ARE READY TO GO. THOUGHT IT WISE TO NOT DO THEM AS SOLO AGENTS OF THE BOARD BUT SEEK SUPPORT AS A BOARD TO HAVE THESE SESSIONS AND COLLABORATE TOGETHER ON MORE OF THEM IN THE FUTURE.>>ANY DISCUSSION BY BOARD MEMBERS? EILEEN, PLEASE.>>JOHN AND I TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY AND I HAD THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER FOR THE APRIL MEETING. AND I GOT THE SENSE OF, WHEN WE WERE TALKING, THAT THE FORMAT HAD CHANGED A BIT. BUT IT MAY NOT HAVE. SO I JUST WANT TO GO OVER IT WITH YOU FIRST. THE DRAFT AGENDA HAD THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE SPENDING 15 MINUTES BETWEEN YOUR OVERVIEW AND THREE PANELISTS. INSTRUCTION PANELISTS AND THREE PANELISTS TALKING. AND THEN A 30 MINUTE SESSION WITH QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS BETWEEN THE PANELISTS AND THE STATE BOARD OF ED MEMBERS. AND THEN A 40 MINUTE SESSION OF MODERATED Q AND A WITH THE AUDIENCE. AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MANAGED BY HAVING THEM WRITE WRITTEN COMMENTS AND SUBMITTING THEM. IS THAT STILL THE FORMAT THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING?>>MY THINKING AND OTHERS HAVE THOUGHTS, WAS AT EACH OF THESE– AND WE MIGHT EXTEND THE HOURS, BECAUSE WE DID LEARN IN JUST OPENING DOORS WERE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING, IT MIGHT BE WISE TO DO THEM LONGER AND UNTIL 7:00 BECAUSE PEOPLE WORK. BUT THAT WE AS BOARD MEMBERS WOULD DO VERY BRIEF INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS ABOUT THE ISSUES WE’RE WRESTLING WITH AND WHAT’S IN THE AIR. AND WHATEVER BOARD MEMBERS ARE ABLE TO BE THERE, SHARE SOME PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE SEE AS GOING ON AND IMPORTANT. PERHAPS INVITE THREE OR FOUR INVITED PRESENTATIONS. SHORT THREE TO FIVE MINUTES, FROM INNOVATORS, TO SHOW OFF ONE OF THEIR SUCCESSES FROM THOSE, THE LOCAL HOST SCHOOL DISTRICT, I THINK THE ISD, POTENTIALLY TEACHERS GROUPS, POTENTIALLY A UNIVERSITY WITH THEIR TEACHER TRAINING INITIATIVE– WHATEVER WE WOULD LIKE TO INVITE. TO GIVE THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON CURRENT ISSUES, CURRENT CHALLENGES, CURRENT INNOVATION, AND HAVE THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE. AND THEN HAVE THE REST– AN HOUR AND A HALF– BE PUBLIC FORUM WITH THE ALL COME TO FOLKS WHO WANT TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF BULLYING, THE IMPORTANCE OF CONTINUING THE PATH/ISSUES AROUND ACCREDITATION. I THINK IT’S AGAIN, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US– WE’RE COMPLICIT IN A LOT OF REFORM. THE GOVERNOR HAS PROPOSED A NEW WAVE. I THINK IT HELPS US TO LISTEN, AND LEARN, AND UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING THAT REALITY OF CHANGE, AND TO INVITE SOME POSITIVE EXAMPLES OF CHANGE AS WELL. THAT WOULD BE MY FRAMEWORK FOR THESE.>>WHICH IS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YESTERDAY WHEN WE TALKED. THAT’S A SUBSTANTIAL DEPARTURE FROM AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION. IT’S NOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU FIRST CALLED IT, WHICH IS LISTENING SESSIONS. EVEN THOUGH THERE IS SOME INFORMATIONAL FRAMING. BECAUSE IF YOU EXPAND IT UNTIL 7:00, THEN YOU’RE NOW TALKING ABOUT A HALF AND HOUR OF OUR IMPARTING BEST PRACTICES, THREE– I THINK YOU JUST SAID, THREE TO FIVE MINUTES APIECE FOR BEST PRACTICES WITH THREE OF FOUR PRESENTERS. AND THEN– AND AN INTRODUCTION FROM YOU AND THEN GOING INTO WHAT COULD BE AN HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO AND A HALF HOURS OF PUBLIC COMMENTARY. THERE WAS A LEGISLATIVE SESSION VERY SIMILAR TO THIS ON FRIDAY, THAT TURNED OUT TO BE AN ALL OUT, DIFFICULT PUBLIC VENTING, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN HAVING US SHARE BEST PRACTICES– SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT. AND I GUESS I WOULD SAY TO ALL OF THIS IS THAT WE HAVE EXTREMELY LIMITED TIME AND MONEY RIGHT NOW. IN THE NONPROFIT WORLD– DAN IS A FOUNDATION PERSON AND WE ALWAYS LOOKED, WHEN I WAS GRANT-MAKING, TO MISSION CREEP. OKAY? TO ME, WE HAVE A FOCUS RIGHT NOW THAT IS SO MONUMENTAL FOR K-12. BOTH OF YOU WORK AT HIGHER ED INSTITUTIONS, POST-SECONDARY INSTITUTIONS. YOU KNOW THEIR CHALLENGES. YOU UNDERSTAND IN A WAY THAT I DO, BUT EVEN MORE VISCERALLY, WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE FOR THE BUDGET CUTS THAT THEY’RE NOW FACING. WE AS A DEPARTMENT, HAVE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL ROUNDS OF BUDGET CUTS, SO HAVE THEY. BUT WE’RE THE ONLY ONES THAT I SEE WHO CAN MAKE CHANGE HAPPEN, EXCEPT FOR LEGISLATURE FOR K-12. I WANT TO MAKE REALLY, REALLY SURE, THAT ANYTHING THAT WE DO, DOESN’T COME ACROSS TO THE PUBLIC, TO CHILDREN, TO TEACHERS AND TO PARENTS, AS EITHER MISSION CREEP OR MESSAGE DILUTION. NOBODY ELSE CAN DO THE DEPARTMENT’S JOB AND NOBODY ELSE CAN DO WHAT THE STATE BOARD OF ED CAN DO. THE UNIVERSITIES ARE GRACIOUSLY OFFERING TO HOST THESE AND I COMMEND THE TWO OF YOU WITH YOUR INVOLVEMENTS WITH THEM, FOR HAVING PUT THEM TOGETHER. BUT I THINK WE REALLY SHOULD BE VERY DEFINITE ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD IS PROPOSING TO DO FOR DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION, OR WHETHER THEY’RE LISTENING SESSIONS IN WHICH YOU’RE TRYING TO BRING BACK INFORMATION TO THE LEGISLATURE FROM THE COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, WHICH HAVE THEIR OWN LOBBYING ORGANIZATION AND ARE VERY, VERY VOCAL ON WHAT THEY NEED FROM K-12, WHICH IS IRATE, AND SHOULD BE, OVER WHAT’S GOING ON. BUT WE CAN’T FIX THE MONEY. WE CAN FIX SOME THINGS BY GIVING THEM INFORMATION AND LEADING THEM TO BETTER PRACTICES. AND THAT IS MY ENTIRE FOCUS FOR WHAT WE’RE DOING AND FOR WHAT I THINK THE DEPARTMENT HAS THE RESOURCES TO DO. I WOULD LOVE IT IF THE UNIVERSITIES ARE HOSTING THESE AND WANT TO DO ALL THE PUBLICITY, ALL OF THE CONTACTING. THEY ARE ALREADY BEING VERY GENEROUS WITH WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO AND I COMMEND THEM. AND I COMMEND YOU FOR LOOKING AT THAT. I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULDN’T BE INVOLVED IN ANYTHING UNLESS IT IS MOSTLY INFORMATIONAL. AND I’M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT REALLY IMPROVES PRACTICES, THAT LAYS OUT FOR PEOPLE WHAT OTHER FOLKS ARE DOING THAT’S WORKING. I THINK EVERYTHING WE SHOULD DO– EVERYTHING WE DO, SHOULD BE POINTED IN THAT DIRECTION. SO AND AMONG OTHER THINGS, BESIDES CHANGING THE WHOLE FOCUS OF HOW YOU’RE DOING IT, WHICH I RECOGNIZE IS PRETTY LATE IN THE GAME, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE UNIVERSITIES COULD GO AHEAD AND DO ALL THE INVITATIONS. WE CERTAINLY– I COMMEND YOU FOR DOING THIS. I KNOW OTHER BOARD MEMBERS MAY BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, THAT’S GREAT. AND I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT THE HOSTS INVITE PRE-K PROVIDERS. BECAUSE IF YOU’RE GOING TO GO THE SPAN OF COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES AND K-12, THEN IT SHOULD BE THE WHOLE FIELD.>>THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS?>>GO AHEAD.>>MARIANNE, THEN NANCY.>>WELL, I– I LIKE THE IDEA OF THESE FORUMS, BECAUSE AS FAR AS I’M AWARE, NO ONE ELSE IS PROVIDING THIS SORT OF AN OUTLET FOR PEOPLE RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK WE BOTH AGREE, EILEEN, THAT THERE IS A LARGE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC DISSATISFACTION RIGHT NOW. AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE ONLY OUTLET FOR EXPRESSING THAT, HAS BEEN TO COME TO THE CAPITOL TO DEMONSTRATE. AND I THINK PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME TO A LOCAL CENTER TO SAY WHAT MAYBE ON THEIR MIND, EITHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, CAN BE A HUGE SERVICE IN AND OF ITSELF. AND SOMETHING I FEEL VERY, VERY GRATEFUL AND HONORED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE.>>NANCY, THEN KATH, PLEASE?>>EXCUSE ME. WE JUST PASSED A– OR WE JUST PROPOSED, WE DIDN’T PASS IT YET. IT’S NOT BEEN VOTED ON. WE PROPOSED A RESOLUTION TO THE GOVERNOR’S RECOGNIZING THE COMMON THINGS THAT WE AGREE IN. THE COMMON GOALS THAT WE HAVE. THAT’S A MONUMENTAL TASK THAT’S BEEN LAID OUT IN THAT PAPER BY ANYBODY. WE HAVE PRECIOUS LITTLE TIME AND PRECIOUS LITTLE RESOURCES TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. IF THESE EVENTS ARE INTENDED TO GO OUT AND INFORM AND HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND WHY THAT MONUMENTAL TASK IS SOMETHING THAT WE’VE CHOSEN, WHY IT’S SOMETHING THAT’S IMPORTANT TO DO. WHY OR HOW IT MIGHT BE BROUGHT FORWARD. GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT TASK. EXCUSE ME. LOVE SPRING IN MICHIGAN. THEN I THINK THAT THERE’S SOME POSITIVE VALUE IN THAT. IF THIS IS TO ADD IN ADDITION TO THAT RESOLUTION, THE KINDS OF THINGS WE’RE HEARING AND WE WILL THEN BRING BACK AND SAY “WE ALSO “NEED TO DO, BECAUSE”– EXCUSE ME– “BECAUSE WE HAVE “HEARD IT,” I DON’T GET IT. I GUESS I’LL JUST SAY THAT. I DON’T GET IT. I’M HOPING THAT ISN’T THE REASON. I’M HOPING THAT THE GOAL IS TO REALLY, TRULY, AS WE DID WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION REQUIREMENTS, COME TO A COMMON AGREEMENT, COMMON UNDERSTANDING, OF WHAT’S IMPORTANT FOR CHILDREN IN MICHIGAN AND THEIR PARENTS, IN GETTING THE BEST EDUCATION THEY POSSIBLY CAN AND MAKING CERTAIN THAT EVERY SINGLE CHILD IN MICHIGAN HAS 100% OPPORTUNITY TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND HAS THE RESOURCES TO DO THAT. I HOPE THAT’S THE GOAL. I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED BY HAVING THESE, NOT BECAUSE WE COULDN’T OR SHOULDN’T– OR I WON’T SAY SHOULDN’T, THAT WE COULDN’T– THIS BECOMES NOT A “WHAT DO WE HAVE “THE RIGHT TO DO? “BUT WHAT’S THE RIGHT THING “TO DO?” AND WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE DEPARTMENT, WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT WE’RE UNINTENTIONALLY– AND I’M GOING TO MAKE THAT CLEAR– UNINTENTIONALLY, WORKING AT ODDS WITH OUR DEPARTMENT. AND I DON’T– WE CAN’T AFFORD TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN. SO I GUESS WHAT I’D LIKE TO KNOW IS, IS HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT THEY’RE DOING? HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE GOALS THAT WE SEE THAT WE SHARE ALONG WITH THE GOVERNOR’S OFFICE AND OTHERS OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN MICHIGAN FOR EDUCATION? HOW DOES THIS AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO BE OPEN AND FORTHRIGHT WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN? THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE WHEN YOU HAVE A FORUM. THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THEM, YOU’RE GOING TO AGREE WITH THEM. WHETHER YOU MEAN THAT TO BE TRUE OR NOT, THAT IS THE EXPECTATION. AND SO I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN IS THAT WE’VE STRUCTURED THIS WELL ENOUGH SO THAT IT’S CLEAR TO PEOPLE THAT WE WELCOME THEIR INPUT, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THEIR INPUT HELPS YOUNG PEOPLE BECOME SUCCESSFUL AND HELPS THE DEPARTMENT DO THE JOB THE BEST WAY WE CAN, AND HELPS US MAKE THE BEST POLICY WE CAN, IT’S GREAT. BUT IT IS NOT MY EXPECTATION THAT I WILL AGREE WITH ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT’S SAID THERE AND THAT WE WILL GO FORWARD AND THEN CHANGE OUR PLANS IS BASED ON THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE IMPACT IS. SO I’M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, JOHN.>>WELL, AND I’M OBVIOUSLY EAGER TO RESPOND, BUT I DON’T WANT TO INVITE OTHERS. MAYBE QUICKLY, I DO THESE SORTS OF EVENTS, SIMILAR TO MARIANNE. WE CAN, AND YOU KNOW ME, I’M GOING TO BE TAKING EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO– I WON’T GO AS FAR AS GORBACHEV, YOU KNOW, TO GO OUT AND ARGUE WITH CONSTITUENTS, BUT I DO. MEANING, “HERE’S WHY “WHAT WE JUST,” IF WE PASSED THE RESOLUTION EMBRACING SOMETHING AND WORKING WITH THE GOVERNOR, “HERE’S WHY “WE’RE DOING THAT. “HERE’S WHAT’S RIGHT “ABOUT THAT.” THAT’S LEADERSHIP, TO EXPLAIN WHY WE THINK THESE ARE THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO. BUT ALSO, ONE OF OUR HIGHEST CALLINGS– AND IT’S NOT, IN MY VIEW RESPECTFULLY TO EILEEN, MISSION CREEP. ONE OF OUR MISSIONS, AS ELECTED OFFICIALS ON THE STATE BOARD, IS TO LISTEN AND PROACTIVELY GO OUT AND BE AVAILABLE TO BE A VEHICLE FOR INPUT FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS, SO THEY CAN HELP EDUCATE US AND TELL US. IT DOES NOT MEAN WE’RE GOING TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING. BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET MORE PERSPECTIVE, MORE UNDERSTANDING AND ARE WILLING TO LEARN FROM THAT AND PLAY THAT ROLE, WHICH IS A CENTRAL PART OF OUR ROLE AS A STATE BOARD, TO BE A FORUM FOR PUBLIC INPUT. THAT’S JUST WHY I AM SO PASSIONATE ABOUT US EXTENDING OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT IN MULTIPLE WAYS. IS TO COLLECT MORE OF OUR INPUT FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT WE SERVE.>>I DON’T DISAGREE WITH THAT. I WANT TO JUST– AND I STILL HAVEN’T HEARD, HOW DOES THIS IMPACT THE DEPARTMENT’S ABILITY TO BE EFFECTIVE?>>WELL, AND THAT’S WHY I THINK IN DOING THESE, WE ARE VERY EXPLICITLY NOT ASKING THE DEPARTMENT AND OUR BOARD SECRETARY TO DO– TO SPEND RESOURCES OR EFFORT BEYOND PERHAPS PRESSING ONE BUTTON TO SHARE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THESE ARE HAPPENING. WHICH IS CONSISTENT, I THINK, IF WE APPROVE IT AS A STATE BOARD ACTIVITY.>>I DON’T EVEN THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE. BUT THAT’S NOT THE POINT. THE POINT IS, AS A RESULT OF THESE FORUMS, HOW WILL IT EFFECT THE ABILITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO CONTINUE THE WORK THEY’RE DOING?>>I THINK THAT’S UP TO US. IF AS WE, AS BOARD MEMBERS AND A BOARD, BRING PERSPECTIVE, BRING IDEAS, BRING ISSUES, WE WILL BRING IT BACK TOGETHER AND WE’LL INFORM OUR DAY TO DAY WORK, INCLUDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE JUST MADE. THAT’S HOW IT WILL INFORM OUR WORK. AND THAT’S AS IT SHOULD BE.>>OKAY, I’M NOT– I’M GOING TO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO ASK THE QUESTION BETTER BECAUSE I’M STILL NOT GETTING AN ANSWER, BUT I’LL THINK ABOUT IT.>>AND I’LL STOP TALKING.>>WHILE YOU’RE THINKING, KATH, AND THEN DAN.>>WELL, I ENVISION THESE FORUMS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO– FOR US TO INFORM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING AND WHY. BECAUSE I THINK THERE’S LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, REALLY. MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT WE DO AND I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHY WE’RE DOING WHAT WE’VE DONE AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN ALL THESE AREAS THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND THAT WE CONTINUE WITH– WHY WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION SO THAT WE CAN HELP EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, AS WELL AS HAVE THE PUBLIC TELL US WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE. THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHY WE’RE DOING WHAT WE’RE DOING. THEY MAY NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT WE’RE DOING, MUCH LESS WHY WE’RE DOING IT. SO I THINK IT’S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND I’VE BEEN WANTING TO DO THIS FOR A LONG TIME.>>I KNOW.>>I REALLY MISSED OUR GOING OUT INTO VARIOUS PARTS OF THE STATE AND HOLDING OUR MEETINGS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE. I’VE BEEN WANTING TO DO THAT FOR YEARS AND HAVE BEEN FRUSTRATED THAT WE HAVEN’T. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A WAY TO GET SOME OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE PUBLIC AND HAVE THEM MEET WITH US. AND LEARN WHAT– WHY WE ARE DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION OF THINGS OR MAYBE THE PUBLIC AND HAVING THE PUBLIC RESPOND TO– LISTEN TO THEIR CONCERNS. AND THEN, PRESUMABLY, THEIR CONCERNS WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON HOW WE DEVELOP WHAT WE WANT TO DEVELOP.>>THANK YOU– DAN? THEN EILEEN.>>SO TWO QUICK POINTS. AND I DON’T WANT TO BELABOR THIS ONLY BECAUSE I’M– WELL, I JUST DON’T WANT TO BELABOR IT. LET’S JUST BE AS EFFICIENT AND PRODUCTIVE IN THIS CONVERSATION AS WE CAN. TO THE CONSTITUTION CHARGES US WITH PROVIDING LEADERSHIP AND GENERAL SUPERVISION OVER ALL PUBLIC EDUCATION, YADA, YADA, YADA. LEADERSHIP FOR ME IS A TWO WAY STREET. IT IS NOT SIMPLY US SHOWING UP AND TELLING FOLKS HOW IT’S GOING TO BE. IT’S ALSO, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AS LEADERS TO GATHER INPUT FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS AND WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WHETHER WE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT, TO GATHER THAT INPUT. AND I VIEW THESE FORUMS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO THAT, CONSISTENT WITH OUR OBLIGATION UNDER THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO PROVIDE LEADERSHIP, AND CONSISTENT WITH OUR DUTY AS ELECTED OFFICERS STATEWIDE. THE SECOND THING THAT I WOULD JUST POINT OUT, IS THAT THERE IS THIS CONCEPT, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS CONCEPT IN THEORY ANYWAY AND I WOULD ARGUE IN PRACTICE, CALLED THE FALLACY OF CENTRALITY. WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THERE’S A TYPICAL BELIEF THAT, KIND OF, IF YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT IT IT’S NOT HAPPENING IN THE WORLD. [ LAUGHTER ] THAT’S HOW WE AS HUMANS OPERATE. AND IT’S TRUE IN MANAGEMENT, IN BUSINESS, IN PUBLIC OFFICE. IT’S TRUE IN ALL OF THOSE PLACES. AND FRANKLY, WE DO OURSELVES, AND I WOULD ARGUE, OUR EFFORT TO MOVE THIS AGENDA FORWARD BY NOT DOING A GOOD JOB OF LISTENING AND LEARNING ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON THAT WE MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE KNOW ABOUT. I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE HEAR AND THAT WE CAN IN FACT BE QUITE EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT AS PART OF THE LISTENING EXPERIENCE. AND IN FACT, GOOD TWO WAY COMMUNICATION PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO DO THAT. AND THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT WE HEAR THAT WILL BE NEW TO US, THAT WE WILL LEARN FROM, AND WILL HELP INFORM OUR POLICYMAKING GOING FORWARD. AND THERE WILL BE THINGS THAT WE HEAR THAT WE KNOW VERY WELL ALREADY. AND ALL OF THAT IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE WORK THAT WE ARE MEANT TO DO, SITTING AT THIS TABLE, AND AS A PART OF THIS BODY. SO I’M COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND GATHER THAT INPUT AND PROVIDE LEADERSHIP THAT TRULY IS TWO WAYS AND ASSUMES THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS HERE AT THIS TABLE.>>IT’S EILEEN, AND THEN MARIANNE, AND THEN NANCY AGAIN.>>I WOULD– I DIDN’T EVEN BEGIN TO THINK UNTIL I TALKED TO JOHN YESTERDAY, THAT THE ORIGINAL FORMAT, WHICH WE DIDN’T VOTE ON LAST MONTH, HAD CHANGED. BECAUSE IT WAS CONSTRUCTIVE, IT WAS 50 MINUTES OF STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, LOCAL INITIATIVES, ALL THE THINGS THAT POINT US TOWARDS ACHIEVEMENT FOR KIDS. THIRTY MINUTES OF QUESTION AND ANSWER BETWEEN THE PANELISTS AND THE STATE BOARD OF ED MEMBERS WHO ARE THERE. AND THEN 40 MINUTES OF MODERATED QUESTION AND ANSWERS WITH THE AUDIENCE. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO GO TO THREE HOURS. IF IT WERE HALF AND HALF, OR AS THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, TWO-THIRDS INFORMATION AND ONE-THIRD HEARING. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. EVEN THEN, BECAUSE IT WASN’T APPROVED AND IT’S CHANGING AS WE SPEAK. AND THERE STILL ISN’T– I MEAN THIS WE HAVE VERBALLY THAT 30/90. MAYBE IT’S 30 MORE THAN THAT AND MAYBE IT’S INTRODUCTIONS AND A LOT MORE THAN THAT. SO MY– I WOULD SAY, GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FORMAT THAT YOU PROPOSED LAST MONTH. AND I TOTALLY RESPECT THE WORK THAT’S BEEN DONE. YOU DID SAY AT THE MEETING THAT YOU’RE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO DO THAT. AND THAT THE UNIVERSITIES ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO STEP FORWARD AND DO THE HOSTING. BUT I DON’T THINK THE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS, EXCEPT TO SAY, “GODSPEED AND GOODWILL.” AND IF BOARD MEMBERS CAN COME, ABSOLUTELY.>>MARIANNE, THEN NANCY PLEASE.>>WELL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK IT IS SOMETHING–>>–WAY FOR US TO DO THAT CONSISTENT WITH OUR OBLIGATION UNDER THE STATE CONSTITUTION TO PROVIDE LEADERSHIP, AND CONSISTENT WITH OUR DUTY AS ELECTED OFFICERS STATEWIDE. THE SECOND THING THAT I WOULD JUST POINT OUT IS THAT THERE IS THIS CONCEPT, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS CONCEPT IN THEORY ANYWAY, AND I WOULD ARGUE IN PRACTICE CALLED THE FALLACY OF CENTRALITY. WHICH SUGGESTS THAT THERE’S A TYPICAL BELIEF THAT, KIND OF, IF YOU DON’T KNOW ABOUT IT IT’S NOT HAPPENING IN THE WORLD. [ LAUGHTER ] THAT’S HOW WE AS HUMANS OPERATE. AND IT’S TRUE IN MANAGEMENT, IN BUSINESS, IN PUBLIC OFFICE. IT’S TRUE IN ALL OF THOSE PLACES. AND FRANKLY, WE DO OURSELVES, AND I WOULD ARGUE, OUR EFFORT TO MOVE THIS AGENDA FORWARD BY NOT DOING A GOOD JOB OF LISTENING AND LEARNING ABOUT WHAT’S GOING ON THAT WE MIGHT NOT OTHERWISE KNOW ABOUT. I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE HEAR AND THAT WE CAN IN FACT BE QUITE EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT AS PART OF THE LISTENING EXPERIENCE. AND IN FACT, GOOD TWO WAY COMMUNICATION PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO DO THAT. AND THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT WE HEAR THAT WILL BE NEW TO US, THAT WE WILL LEARN FROM, AND WILL HELP INFORM OUR POLICYMAKING GOING FORWARD. AND THERE WILL BE THINGS THAT WE HEAR THAT WE KNOW VERY WELL ALREADY. AND ALL OF THAT IS PART AND PARCEL OF THE WORK THAT WE ARE MEANT TO DO, SITTING AT THIS TABLE, AND AS A PART OF THIS BODY. SO I’M COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND GATHER THAT INPUT AND PROVIDE LEADERSHIP THAT TRULY IS TWO WAYS AND ASSUMES THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS HERE AT THIS TABLE.>>IT’S EILEEN, AND THEN MARIANNE, AND THEN NANCY AGAIN.>>I WOULD– I DIDN’T EVEN BEGIN TO THINK UNTIL I TALKED TO JOHN YESTERDAY, THAT THE ORIGINAL FORMAT, WHICH WE DIDN’T VOTE ON LAST MONTH, HAD CHANGED. BECAUSE IT WAS CONSTRUCTIVE, IT WAS 50 MINUTES OF STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, LOCAL INITIATIVES, ALL THE THINGS THAT POINT US TOWARDS ACHIEVEMENT FOR KIDS. THIRTY MINUTES OF QUESTION AND ANSWER BETWEEN THE PANELISTS AND THE STATE BOARD OF ED MEMBERS WHO ARE THERE. AND THEN 40 MINUTES OF MODERATED QUESTION AND ANSWERS WITH THE AUDIENCE. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO GO TO THREE HOURS. IF IT WERE HALF AND HALF, OR AS THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, TWO-THIRDS INFORMATION AND ONE-THIRD HEARING. THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. EVEN THEN, BECAUSE IT WASN’T APPROVED AND IT’S CHANGING AS WE SPEAK. AND THERE STILL ISN’T– I MEAN THIS WE HAVE VERBALLY THAT 30/90. MAYBE IT’S 30 MORE THAN THAT AND MAYBE IT’S INTRODUCTIONS AND A LOT MORE THAN THAT. SO MY– I WOULD SAY, GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL FORMAT THAT YOU PROPOSED LAST MONTH. AND I TOTALLY RESPECT THE WORK THAT’S BEEN DONE. YOU DID SAY AT THE MEETING THAT YOU’RE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO DO THAT. AND THAT THE UNIVERSITIES ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO STEP FORWARD AND DO THE HOSTING. BUT I DON’T THINK THE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS, EXCEPT TO SAY, “GODSPEED AND GOODWILL.” AND IF BOARD MEMBERS CAN COME, ABSOLUTELY.>>MARIANNE, THEN NANCY PLEASE.>>WELL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO GO AHEAD ON. AND JOHN, I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS. I’D ALSO LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE ADD ANOTHER LOCATION– DETROIT. AND I THINK DETROIT REALLY NEEDS TO BE HEARD FROM AND WOULD PROBABLY, MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN DETROIT OR IN THE CLOSE METRO AREA, WOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS OR TRANSPORTATION TO EVEN THE MACOMB LOCATION. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ADD THAT. MAYBE AT WAYNE COUNTY COMMUNITY COLLEGE.>>WELL, MAYBE IF IT’S NOT TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE, BUT AS A PROPOSAL, TO BRING BACK THIS AFTERNOON. WE’LL RESTATE THIS PROPOSAL AND JUST FRAME, POTENTIALLY, THIRTY MINUTES OF SHARING, PRESENTATION, NINETY MINUTES OF LISTENING AND SEE IF WE CAN PULL OFF A DETROIT ONE IN SHORTER ORDER THAN WE MIGHT THIS FALL.>>I THINK WE CAN.>>THANK YOU, MARIANNE. NANCY, PLEASE?>>I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING REALLY CLEAR. I DON’T THINK THAT EILEEN OR I ARE SAYING WE SHOULDN’T LISTEN. WE SHOULD, ABSOLUTELY. I TOOK VERY, VERY ACTIVE PART IN WHEN WE DID OUR STATE HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION REQUIREMENTS. I WENT TO AN AWFUL LOT OF THEM. I WOULD NEVER HAVE NOT GONE. BUT WE HAD A VERY CLEAR AGENDA ABOUT WHAT IT WAS WE WERE GOING TO LIMIT OURSELVES TO IN TERMS OF INFORMING. AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN, AND I GUESS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT BEFORE AND I DIDN’T STATE IT WELL– LET ME TRY AGAIN– IS THAT UNINTENTIONALLY, I WOULD BELIEVE WE WOULD BE PUTTING FORTH INFORMATION ABOUT HOW WE INTEND TO DO OUR WORK, THAT DOESN’T JIVE WITH WHAT THE DEPARTMENT IS DOING. AND SO I WOULD LIKE US TO LIMIT OUR INFORMING, NOT LISTENING, BUT OUR INFORMING, TO WHAT WE AGREE TO, THAT WE HAVE AGREED, AS A BOARD AND A DEPARTMENT, THAT WE’RE GOING TO HAVE AS OUR BALANCE OF WORK THIS YEAR OR COMING YEARS. BECAUSE I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT THAT WE’RE NOT– WITHOUT MEANING TO– GO OUT AS A BOARD AND SET FORTH “WE’RE GOING TO “DO THIS, AND THIS, AND THIS.” AND WE HAVEN’T AGREED TO THAT AT THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL TOO. BECAUSE WE CAN AGREE ALL WE WANT, BUT WE DON’T DO THE DAY TO DAY WORK. AND I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT WE HAVE THAT CONSISTENCY THERE, AND THAT’S BEEN MY MAJOR CONCERN. AND SO IF WE CAN DO THAT, I THINK IT’S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU’D LISTEN TO CONSTITUENTS. THAT’S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE IN MY MIND. IT’S WHAT THE MESSAGE IS THAT WE’RE DELIVERING, THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT’S CONSISTENT, AND THAT IT’S NOT SOMEHOW THROWING A WRENCH IN THE GEARS PROBABLY UNINTENTIONALLY. AND THAT’S BEEN MY ONLY CONCERN.>>WELL, I DON’T THINK ANYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT GOING OUT AND VOICING THEIR PERSONAL OPINIONS.>>I DON’T KNOW. I HAVEN’T SEEN IT.>>IT’S A MATTER OF, AS YOU SAY, IF WE’RE DOING ANY PROMOTING AT ALL, IT WOULD BE WHAT WE’VE DONE AS A GROUP. BUT THERE IS A SECOND SEGMENT TO THIS AND THAT IS PROVIDING A FORUM FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SPEAK OUT.>>OF COURSE– OF COURSE.>>SO THAT’S IT. PURE AND SIMPLE.>>YEAH, AND I CAN’T– YOU CAN’T, NOR DO YOU WANT, TO SET PARAMETERS ON WHAT PEOPLE CAN SAY. BUT YOU CAN SET PARAMETERS ON WHAT A BOARD SAYS, EVEN IF IT’S JUST A FEW MEMBERS.>>AND I HOPE YOU WILL TAKE CONFIDENCE. WE– NONE OF US, I THINK, WOULD REPRESENT AS A BOARD, ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE COLLECTIVELY HAVE AGREED, UNLESS IT’S CLEARLY STATED. BUT WE– I THINK FOR THIS CONTEXT, WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS, IF THERE IS A BRIEF OVERVIEW SECTION, THAT IT BE– THAT WERE WE SHARE AS BOARD MEMBERS, WHATEVER IS SAID THERE, WE COULD MAKE SURE IS HOW CONSTANT IT IS CIRCULATED AND AGREED ON BY THIS GROUP BEFOREHAND. AND BUT HAVE IT MOSTLY BE INVITING PEOPLE AND PARTIES TO PRESENT SOME INNOVATIONS, SOME THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE AND PUBLIC FORUM.>>I GUESS WHAT I WOULD ASK TOO IS THAT WHENEVER YOU HAVE SPEAKERS COME, THAT YOU ALSO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF WHO THE SPEAKERS ARE AND WHAT THEY’RE PRESENTING?>>WHY DON’T WE PUT A LITTLE MORE STRAW DOG ON WHAT THE EVENT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR BRINGING BACK THIS AFTERNOON WITH, I HOPE, A VOTE FOR APPROVAL OF GOING AHEAD WITH IT.>>OKAY, AND AS CHAIR–>>YOUR PRE-K COMMENT, EILEEN, TOO.>>–SO THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR PROCESS, TO BRING SOMETHING BACK MORE CONCRETELY. AND I WANTED TO JUST SAY THAT I’VE LISTENED– ONE REASON, I WAS AT MY BROTHER’S FUNERAL LAST WEEK, AS YOU KNOW– BUT I ASKED MARTY TO WRITE YOU BECAUSE MY CONCERN, CANDIDLY, WAS THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST STRENGTHS OF THIS BOARD IS THE FACT THAT IT MAYBE ONE OF THE FEW PLACES IN AMERICA WHERE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE WORKING TOGETHER. AND I APPRECIATE THIS CONVERSATION. IT’S HARD TO HAVE A FULLY CANDID CONVERSATION IN A PUBLIC SETTING, BUT I THINK THIS WAS A GOOD ONE TO KIND OF SHOW WHERE SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES MAY BE, BUT THOUGHTFULLY AND RESPECTFULLY. AND THEN, I THINK I’M HEARING THAT– IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE VOTE, I GUESS– BUT THE REASON I ASKED MARTY TO SEND SOMETHING OUT IS WE– WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME CLARITY ABOUT WHEN THERE ARE BOARD EVENTS VERSUS NON-BOARD EVENTS. BECAUSE I THINK IT’S CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE FOR INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS, PRETTY MUCH DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH CONSTITUENTS. BUT ONCE WE’RE INVOLVED, I THINK IT COULD SEND A DIFFERENT MESSAGE. AND I THINK THE IDEAL OUTCOME OF THIS WOULD BE AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT THAT FORUM WOULD BE LIKE AND THEN WE WOULD CERTAINLY HIT THE BUTTON AND SAY, “HEY, STATE BOARD IS HAVING, “BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.” THERE WAS– FROM WHAT I WAS LISTENING– I WAS ON MY OWN LISTENING TOUR A LITTLE BIT LAST WEEK AND DIDN’T REALLY COMMENT TO SOME OF YOU. BUT I COULD SEE THE POSSIBILITY, WHICH I THINK YOU’RE OVERCOMING WITH THIS CONVERSATION VERY NICELY. AND I ALSO APPRECIATE JOHN FROM THE BEGINNING, MAKING IT CLEAR THAT– IN CONSIDERATION FOR MERTZ AND FOR ME, FRANKLY, THAT NOT AN EXPECTATION THAT WE’D BE INVOLVED IN THIS. AND THEN ONE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST MENTION, MY OWN EXPERIENCE, WHEN YOU, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, ENCOURAGED ME TO GO TO VISITS– TO GO TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, WHICH I DID AND IS VERY HELPFUL TO ME. BUT THESE THINGS EVOLVE, YOU KNOW. AND I THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, YOU’RE WORKING ON KIND OF CONSENSUS ON WHAT THE FIRST ONE OR THE FIRST SERIES MIGHT LOOK LIKE. YOU MIGHT EVEN HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FEELING BETWEEN THE FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE, AS YOU’VE EXPERIENCE IT. BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME AND THEN WE GOT A LITTLE MORE STRUCTURE. AND, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, FOR INSTANCE, BEFORE I KNEW IT, I’D VISIT A SCHOOL DISTRICT. BUT SUDDENLY, I WASN’T SEEING BOARD MEMBERS OR PARENTS. AND THEN I REALIZED WE NEEDED TO BE EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT AT SOME POINT, YOU DECIDE WHERE I WANT TO SEE BOARD AND PARENTS. ANOTHER TIME, MORE RECENTLY, IT WAS ONE OF THE SCHOOLS ON THE SO-CALLED BOTTOM FIVE PERCENT LIST. I WANTED TO MEET WITH THE STAFF ALONE. YOU KNOW, I DIDN’T WANT TO HAVE, RESPECTFULLY, I DIDN’T WANT TO HAVE BOARD THERE TO INFLUENCE– YOU KNOW, I WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN AS CANDID TO TALK TO THEM HAD OTHER OFFICIALS BEEN THERE. SO WHAT I’M LEADING UP TO IS I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A REAL POSITIVE, IS THAT YOU WILL GET– YOU WILL EVOLVE THESE THINGS OVER TIME. AND IT WOULD GET AT WHAT KATHY WAS SAYING AT. BECAUSE I DO APPRECIATE YOUR HAVING THE MEETINGS HERE. I DON’T KNOW HOW WE WOULD FUNCTION IF OUR GUYS ALL HAD TO PACK UP EVERY MONTH. WE JUST COULDN’T DO IT.>>I’M NOT SAYING EVERY MONTH. JUST ONE OR TWICE A YEAR.>>WELL, BUT EVEN– YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS ARE DOWN– WE’RE DOWN MORE THAN 50% IN STAFF, AS YOU KNOW. THEY’RE DOWN WORKING RIGHT NOW AND THEN THEY COME UP FOR THEIR ITEM. OR IF THEY HEAR SOMETHING THAT’S RELATED, IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. BUT WHAT I’M GETTING AT IS I APPRECIATE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE OTHER WAYS THAT YOU MIGHT– YOU MIGHT GET FEEDBACK WITHOUT IT HAVING TO BE THAT WE’RE PACKING UP THE SHOP AND MOVING TO BIRMINGHAM OR GRAND RAPIDS. THE ONLY ONE I WAS INVOLVED IN, BY THE WAY, AS YOU KNOW WE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF CRITICISM FROM A GROUP THAT THOUGHT THEY WERE COMING HERE AND THEN THEY HAD TO DRIVE AN EXTRA HOUR. I MEAN, WE ARE SOMEWHAT CENTRALLY LOCATED. BUT THIS SEEMS TO BE– THE SPIRIT BEHIND THIS KIND OF THING CAN EVOLVE INTO SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH. AND THEN I APPRECIATE, IT GETS US OFF THE HOOK A LITTLE BIT WITH– AS YOU FURTHER DISCUSS THIS AND MAYBE AGREE ON SOMETHING THIS AFTERNOON. THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US AS STAFF, REALLY. AND– WITH THAT.>>RIGHT, CAN I JUST SAY?>>YES.>>AND WE AGREED, I THINK, TO PUSH SOME DISCUSSION FURTHER OF ISSUES OF APPROPRIATE COMMUNICATIONS ON BEHALF OF INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS, USE OF DEPARTMENT STAFF, COLLECTIVE BOARD ACTION. BUT WE’RE BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO SEEK BOARD APPROVAL TODAY.>>RIGHT. IS THAT– DID I MISSTATE THAT SOMEHOW?>>NO, I JUST SAID THAT WE DO HAVE WORK TO DO ON VERIFYING ISSUES OF COMMUNICATION.>>YEAH, AND WE’LL LIVE WITH WHATEVER THE BOARD CONSENSUS IS ON THOSE ISSUES. WE JUST HADN’T HAD THE DISCUSSION IS ONLY WHY WE WANTED TO BE SURE EVERYONE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH IT. EILEEN, PLEASE?>>I DON’T WANT TO HAVE THE LAST WORD ON THIS, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I WILL BE DISAPPEARING AT 12:30. I HAD SIGNIFICANT BACK SURGERY TEN DAYS AGO ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS AND I HAVE A BROKEN FOOT THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN TREATED. SO I WOULD LOVE TO STAY AND CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON THIS, I WON’T BE HERE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT EVERYTHING THAT I’M POINTED AT IS INFORMATIONAL TO HELP DISTRICTS MOVE FORWARD.>>OKAY, THANK YOU. WE’RE GOOD UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON THEN? THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE THE CANDOR TOO.

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